Buyer's remorse? No more...

Funny you mention this - we're in the middle of a situation @ work right now related to constant updates and change.

Where I work (civil service employee), we have an RMF framework for verifying software is 'approved' for use on networks. (I'm one of the change practitioners.) When it was first put into use it was great; it kept duplicate requests out, identified what was actually a 'need' vs. a 'want' and so on.

Then as of last, oh....November or so, suddenly the approvals came to a screeching halt. Manpower issue, I believbe. We're now like 8-9 months out on some of the approvals.

That's bad enough, but the bigger issue is that there are programs in use where the version #'s are by year vs. major release #. If, say, an approval is for version 4.x, any new version within that is good until they release 5.x.

But if they're releasing (as AutoDesk likes to do) AutoDesk Inventor 2017, 2018, 2019....you get the idea. We're literally to the point where some of my advice is "It might be worth your time to see if there are alternate software suites that will perform the same functions....that update via 'major release' vs calendar year.

Anyways, you can understand my frustration. It's nuts.

 

After reading thru this thread with all the great looking trucks. I'm glad you changed out to a 4x4. "Better to have it and not need it than not have it and need it." The only thing the Tundra has wrong is the Chrome and painted bumpers here and there willy nilly. It drove me to black out everything. Now my bumpers look like bumpers not some extension of the body, Kinda old school. 2020 with a 6" lift.

 

The 3rd Gen Tundra doesn’t have the bling and flare the domestics have but that’s part of it’s charm. May not get the best MPG or haul the most but it won’t leave you stranded or in the shop for weeks.

I went from a 2019 Ram 2500 with the 6.4 to my 2021 Tundra. The Ram had a gorgeous interior and the big Hemi is a beast. However I was having continuous issues with the air conditioning that required dash removal. Not only that but the Facebook groups and forums are full of issues Toyota doesn’t have.

 

Coming from someone who’s driven a 2015 F-150 2.7L EcoBoost and a 2020 Ram 1500 Limited (without e-torque), I can honestly say that every truck has it’s drawbacks; however, I think the Tundra makes the best truck because of its proven track record and resale value.
The 2.7L F-150 is underpowered and will inevitably have turbo booster issues (I have 2 friends that had the same problem), and the Ram 1500 (despite all the bells and whistles to tempt you) has a design flaw with their “eco” mode that causes the engine to sound like it has engine knock. (The RAM Eco mode goes back and forth from 8 cylinders to 4 cylinders when the engine senses that additional power isn’t needed…it’s crap, all to save 1 or 2 miles per ga. in fuel economy).

Knowing that Toyota is going to the V6 next year, they will inevitably have some kinks to work out with the engine…personally, I would avoid turbo boosters on heavy vehicles because when they go out, it’s $5G per turbo booster to fix.
so, the ‘21 Tundra is the way to go unless you want to wait a couple of years for the new generation to be sorted out.
Hope that eases your trepidation.

 

Good choice with tundra i would never buy 1st year of new body style let them get the kinks out

 

I think the Tundra is more reliable but to say the 2.7 ecoboost is underpowered is crazy. It is very powerful, both empty and pulling a trailer. Faster pulling a trailer up a mountain than either the Ram or Tundra. Turbo’s don’t cost 5k, they are about 1k for a pair. 2.7 is also the most trouble free f150 engine according to the f150 forums.

Ram has a design flaw with hemi engines with oil at idle and low rpm, cylinder deactivation also is a problem but that can be removed. They have the best thought out cabin and ride though. Seems like electrical gremlins are par for the course as well.

Who knows how many transmission problems may arise in tundra without trans cooler. They also suffer from cam tower leaks. Then there is the terrible gas mileage. They all have their problems, I would hope as old as the tundra design is it would have the fewest. The biggest worry for me is if I buy a new 21 and then the 22 comes it severely out classes the 21, and it equals the dependability,, how much buyer remorse will i have.

 

Well said. I dont see many (read... any) tundras on the side of parleys canyon. Not as flashy, but I bought it for a purpose.

 

I’m just going on my experience, no reason to say anything otherwise.
Let me rephrase, the turbo boosters in my ‘15 F-150 2.7L weren’t built to hold up for that truck. I know of 2 other friends that blew their turbo boosters with less than 50K miles; so, there’s something going on there. Maybe they fixed the problem in subsequent years; but; at the time, I was quoted $3000 per booster to replace at the dealership.

Agree on the Ram’s ride; but; it’s not worth it with all the things that can go wrong with it. The RAM depreciates more over 5-10 years, and the transmissions are “disposable.” Also, I’m getting the same or even a little better gas mileage with my Tundra than I did with the Ram (and the Tundra calls for 87 octane where they Ram calls for 90…so, there’s savings there). But, I didn’t buy a V8 truck for gas mileage; I’m simply saying the Ram doesn’t get the “as advertised” mileage.

Historically speaking, it’s best to avoid the first year of a new generation; but, that’s your call if you want to take a chance. I’m my opinion, there will always be a market for the proven V8 ‘21 Tundra…some people just don’t want to mess with the turbo boosters. Why not buy or lease the ‘21 and get a ‘23 or ‘24 once the kinks are worked out?

 

Sorry didn't read through everything. But I will say this, put some weight in the bed and pick up some bridgestone blizzak tires in the winter. you will be amazed. My wifes terrain was 2wd and terrible in the snow, put those on and it just stuck to the road in the ice. was hard to even make it slide

 

OP, Keep this one piece of info in mind - Ford trucks are nice when they are new, but they age terribly. For example I had 2008 Sport Track that had to have the alternator and radiator replaced at 75,000 miles. Also had an F-150 with a bad alternator and fuel valve at just 62,000 miles! My previous Tundra had 178,000 miles on it. No problems at all!

 

Yea, I'm from the Midwest too, it was tough for me to buy my 1st Toyota. Even then, I went back to the big 3, what a mistake. I drove the F-150, owned a 2020 6.2 AT4, drove the Ram Rebel, and none of them are in the same universe as Tundra. My friend/neighbor sells Fords and wouldn't sell me one when he found out I'd owned a Toyota before, and was looking again. He didn't want to live on a street where he'd have to see my truck missing from my driveway, in the shop so often.

 

Not all Fords age terribly. I'm the second owner of this one and it is my daily driver. 66 F250 Camper Special 410ci 4sp 15mpg and run all day long. I would never buy a new truck of the big 3. Lipstick on a pig.

 

I chose my latest tundra for 1 reason only. I have been driving a tundra for 11 years, and it has never once left me stranded anywhere. Ever…..
It always starts when I need to go to work, pick up my kids, elk hunting in the middle of no where, driving in a snow storm to pick up my wife, fishing with my kids….Always…Ford and Chevy can keep the tech BS, and 10 speed eco-boost crap…I’ll take reliability all day..everyday…

 

it can leave you stranded. I experienced that on Wednesday in my ‘18 with 55,000 miles. Alternator shit the bed, zero warning signs at all one minute I was driving it and made a brief stop the next minute it’s completely dead. Finally caught someone passing through to jump start, had trouble with that the first few times then got it running. While on the highway it proceeded to shut off 4-5 times while cruising at 70mph. Not covered under warranty and not cheap.

 

I’d suggest that it’s not your alternator . If you got it running and moving with a jump then it’s something else .

 

Have already had it diagnosed and repaired

 

Well shit . I stand corrected .

 

Oh I agree with vintage Fords. They were built right. Sadly that kind of quality no longer exists in America.

 

Decided to go ahead with the 4WD for resale, SHTF reasons, and winter; no other reasons really. I've had Blizzaks before. Great tire if you need them!

 

Yeah I ride the beach and winters here can suck so I like 4w4

 

Brother-in-law nearby is dyed-in-the-wool Ford blue. He'll make fun of me endlessly for bypassing his very specific Ford F-150 recommendations, but oh well. He had an Ecoboost for 7 years and hated it. Called it EcoTurboTurd. He turned around and bought a new 2020 F-150 STX 2WD with a 5.0. It's a garage queen and always will be. He'd rather drive his wife's minivan than put a mile on his truck. We'll see who's laughing in February 2022 when the snow is piling up.

 

BTW, my truck was built on 9/1. Still not off the train from San Antonio yet. That will happen in Kansas City I hear this week. Then a transport ride up here. The wait continues. I just hope the assembly workers did their job with pride. The only thing better than a factory [or any] warranty is not needing it at all...ever.

 

Where's home?

 

Alternator not covered under warranty at 55k? What were the terms of your factory warranty if you don't mind me asking?

 

Long Island NY

 

Love it. Beautiful place to live. Buddy of mine went to Kings Point for school. RIP.

 

Yeah. Not a fan of of NY politics though

 

Alternator falls under electrical, not PT. I’m outside the 3yr/36,000 mile warranty

 

I say stick with F150, more tech, more capacity, better truck.

owned a 2015 Tundra (limited) for 5 of the longest years of my life, best thing I did was sell it. Owned a 2020 F150 (5.0 platinum), loved it but started towing more. Then went to a '21 F250 (6.7 platinum) and enjoy it even more. Tundra was bottom of the pile in every respect. Just my experience, YMMV.