2022 Tundra

We should rename this the "2022 Tundra tangent to any other topic chatroom" thread.

 

Just for giggles I googled "Tundra Diesel" and this site came up. Must be a fantasy, clickbait, tin foil hat fest site or something but have a look if for no other reason but entertainment value:

2022 Toyota Tundra Diesel: Release Date, Specs - 2021 - 2022 Pickup Trucks (2021pickuptrucks.com)

 

If I remember correctly, Toyota has already said there will be 2 power options. We know one will be the TTV6 and odds are the other is the hybrid. Point being, no diesel.

 

Or a diesel hybrid. Which would be more fuel efficient the a gas version.

 

3 Years in.

 

I’m just being optimistic. If the transmission fails because of a heat related issue, I will have bought my last Toyota truck whether it’s under warranty or not.

 

I thought Mike Sweers was pretty unequivocal when he said "no HD Tundra and no diesel Tundra" in January of this year.

 

Correct.

 

False.

 

The aftermarket has no bearing on the statement. We’re not getting a diesel Tundra.

By your logic we could get a Tundra powered by a P&W PT6A, I mean it’s theoretically possible to install one if you have enough money.

 

I heard.....
We are getting a dual fuel Tundra, runs on gas or diesel.
I know a guy who works at Toyota

 

Proof that the optional power train is going to be a turboshaft engine! Multifuel!

 

I just want to know how heavy the flux capicator is going to be and how that will affect my tow weight...

 

My bad, I didnt say a Toyota, factory built, diesel truck. Ffs, why do peeps have to be so obtuse?!!

Roll on '22 Tundra, I need a few more lbs paylaod for my 5er and I owe CoTJ some beer!

 

If it's over 100 pounds that would just prove Toyota doesn't know what it's doing

 

Wondering if it could be 9/9; i.e. the "1" is really a "/"

 

It could be a diesel hybrid..

 

I heard there were going to be 20Hp electric motors on each shaft on each wheel on all wheel drive option Tundras??

 

It could be, but I highly doubt Toyota is going to spend the RandD to develop an all new diesel engine or at least the exhaust system for a diesel engine when all other manufacturers are starting the move away from IC engines right now. With the number of Tundras they sell, it would take them 10 years to make their money back on it.

 

The crazy thing is the baby Duramax diesel seems to be catching on and quite popular with GM 1/2 tons. The mini Ford power strike does not seem to be that popular and a waste. Ram does not seem to be popular at all as I never see one.

I still think there is a pretty bright future for these smaller diesels.

2 years ago I would have said 0% chance Toyota will ever enter the diesel realm. I have to be honest, a diesel hybrid would make sense and I could see them pulling it off! Still a pretty small chance this upcoming year.

 

In this instance Toyota already has developed a Diesel engine with all the emissions equipment. The F33A-FTS has a DPF, and DEF, it fits in the platform, it works with the new 10 speed, it will end up being the volume engine option in the Land Cruiser 300 in quite a few markets.

What they haven’t done to our knowledge and probably will not do is certify it for US emissions. Maybe it’s the cost associated with certification, Toyota’s capacity to make the engine in enough volume to support two or three models, or their internal market analysis on how popular the option would be given the cost.

Since Toyota is perpetually behind the curve on what the larger 1/2 ton market buyer wants (witness the tiny market share Tundra has), I am sure the popularity of the GM and Ram diesel 1/2 tons particularly the GM; has not been noticed or at least not in time to do anything about it.

So Toyota has a diesel that will probably work as is, but they’re not bringing it because it wasn’t in the plan 10 years ago when Toyota started the 3rd Gen Tundra R&D (it’s not a 4th Gen, we’re still on 2nd Gen with a mid cycle refresh).

 

Unfortunately the take rate would be very low I think. The diesel would probably add $3K over the price of the TTV6 gas engine, and a hybrid system another $3-4K.

How many takers would there be for a $6-7K engine option in a 1/2 ton?

 

1-2.

You're getting into HD pricing - so you get 3x the truck for the same price. Exact same reason the Titan XD failed.

 

Well..... I was looking at GMC and Silverado and it looks like it is about $850-$1,000 option to add the 3.0 Duramax over a 5.3. The 6.2 is about a $2k option so the baby Duramax falls right in between. Not as much as upgrade as I would have thought there would be a bigger spread.

Hybrids can get expensive, so who knows.

I think if they could legitimately pull off a diesel hybrid that legitimately gets in the upper 20's MPG there would be quite a few takers.

I drive about 25k miles per year. I averaged 15.8 in the Tundra. Let's say I could get 25 with a diesel. I will spare you my math but factoring in the .40/gallon premium for diesel over 87e10, I would come out to the good with the diesel by about $1,500/year. So in the GM world I would technically pay for the upgrade pretty quickly as long as nothing else breaks, haha.

 

The 3.0 Duramax is being made available in a lot of GM brands/models. Heck, even the Escalade can be optioned with it. That can help spread the cost of it being a new, unique bespoke engine.

If Toyota offered something similar, the cost spread would be much steeper.

 

When the 3.0L Duramax first hit the market it was a $2.5K upgrade over the 5.3L if memory serves.

 

Yeah not sure, but here is GMC AT4 and SLT and it is not much.

I actually know if 1 person that has the 3.0 in the Yukon and they really like it and get insane MPG when set to cruise at 65 on the highway.

 

GM lowered the prices significantly on 3.0L Duramax recently.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ca...2/2020-chevrolet-silverado-3-0l-diesel-drive/

If you read through this C&D states the 3.0L originally was offered at a $2495.00 up charge, same as the 6.2L V8.