2022 Tundra

It'd be funny if one of the pics in the next toyota pic release is of the Star Trek Enterprise lol

 

Pure electric trucks for anyone who tows any distance just aren’t going to work. Why not a diesel? Fuel mileage is better then gas for equal power. Diesels pull better then gassers. Now pare those with a hybrid system… even better mpg and more power. The diseases will rarely run when stopped, or when off the throttle slowing down. If anyone was serious about improving mpg/burning less fuel this would be the way to go. But, I doubt they do it. Toyota hybrids are far ahead of the domestics. A plug in hybrid is the best of both worlds and most logical technology to apply to a towing pickup. Love the power of the pure electrics, but currently they are not a good long distance vehicle especially if hauling a load. This Big Bang theory of electrifying all vehicles is going to go south. It’s more about controlling the amount of energy we use.

 

There have been tests of towing with a Model X, and the results apply to any full electric truck: when towing a moderate load, you can expect only 20-25% of your usual, unladen range. A trailer severely impacts an EV. Then add in that recharging is no where near as quick as refueling. It's a fool's folly, and all of these people wagging their tongues for an EV truck aren't realizing that? Of course an EV truck will still have insane acceleration even with a 7,000 pound load behind it, but at 80 miles of range, how is that useful?

Also, when Toyota releases a Hybrid or PHEV Tundra, don't be surprised if the Hybrid/PHEV function is unavailable during towing. When towing, the significant increase in load immediately saps the Hybrid/PHEV system, unless Toyota overcomes this, which might be possible. But, Hybrid assist can only last a very short time when pulling a long mountain climb. And regen is at the mercy of the regen capacity of the motors, charge controllers and charge rate limits of the battery pack.
This is why Ford PowerBoost disables Hybrid during towing. Way too hard on the Hybrid system, and of no benefit in most towing scenarios.

Hybrid is most logical for improving MPGs during unladen trips.

 

They could pair down their bed sizes and just offer Crewmax with 6.5 bed/ Double Cab 6.5/8ft.

Toyotas US engine patent filings are curios, I would not be surprised if we don't see a hybrid diesel that has solved the need for a DPF so no longer needing DEF and eliminating the failure point that renders modern diesels pretty much just a money pit in waiting.

 

My 2020 Tundra is also in the shop for a noise only in 4WD during deceleration. It's been there for over two weeks and they have changed the front diff, CV axles, front and rear drive shafts and now the front wheel bearings. Also has a case open with Toyota. If they can't fix it the 22 may be an option for me.

 

I can't see that happening when they're considering putting particulate filters on direct-injected gas engines. Also, I think many people like the short bed for ease of parking. I'd pick a crewmax with 6.5' bed for my next truck, but one thing that's holding me back is that with a DC & 6.5' bed I barely fit in most parking sports as it is.

 

That'd be risky. If somebody wanted a larger cab but shorter wheelbase they wouldn't have an option. I completely understand the desire for a CM with a 6.5' bed, but I personally would not want my truck to be any longer than it is. Not sure if I'm alone on that, but the shorter bed didn't seem to stop the CM from selling in the past.

 

Curious. Did you remove your cooler before taking it in?

 

Nope, you're not alone. I had a F150 Supercrew with a 6.5' bed, which would be comparable in size to a crewmax tundra with a 6.5' bed. The thing was a land yacht. Stupid turning radius, a pain to maneuver in the bush, and just way too much truck. I never once had the bed filled right up. I also once had a crewcab Sierra with a 5.5' short box. That was perfect. Nice length of truck, usable box size for my needs, plenty of cab room for dry and secure storage.

My current first gen is really the perfect truck though. It's a crew cab with a 6.5' box, but the overall size of the truck is smaller than that of a CrewMax Tundra. I've only filled the box fully a few times while hauling landscaping supplies, but I don't mind having the longer bed since unlike on newer and larger trucks, it doesn't make the truck unwieldy.

When I do buy a new Tundra eventually, it will be a crewmax short box.

 

I’m in the market for a DC with 6 or 6.5’ bed and nothing longer or shorter. I wouldn’t even consider a crew max with 6.5. Or 5.5. As before length is important to me but overall length is more important.

 

Agree with all of that. Need to have a good base hp/tq without electric assist. But, when running unloaded it will benefit from a hybrid or PHEV. If towing day in and day out, a 3/4 ton is a better choice.

 

Depends on what you tow. I tow a 3000 to 4000 lbs trailer. A 3/4 ton is overkill for that. A half ton V8 gasser fits the bill perfectly for my needs, so I'm only following the new Tundra's roll out as a spectator. Zero intentions of purchasing, but I like to see what new things they do.

 

Exact opposite for me. I passed on the Tundra all of these years because of the short bed on the crew cab. I'd take a double cab with a 6.5 before a CC with a 5.5 (in fact I'm even sniffing around the remaining Tundra DC inventory). Nearly every time I use the bed it's full and then some (part of me misses the old 8 footer in my F250).

My big beef with maneuverability is parking lots at the shopping areas. I hate the 5 point turns I always have to do so before my latest pickup purchase I test drove a CC with a 5.5 and 6.5 bed back to back. I took them both to the same exact parking spot and they were both exactly the same when it came to maneuverability and the amount of gyrations I had to do to park. Both were difficult. I do get the garage thing though, if it doesn't fit, what good is it and yes sometimes on city streets where the lines designating the spaces are drawn I have a tough time fitting but it does fit. The all around camera makes a world of difference, I tested that last year.

 

I'm going to make a prediction about the first issue the new Tundra will have: Infotainment.
We have a 2020 Toyota Corolla with the bigger head unit and AA/CP, and it has a well known glitch where anytime the map moves whilst listening to music the music glitches. As if the HU doesn't have enough processing power to handle a music stream and updating map simultaneously. It's a well known issue and Toyota hasn't offered a solution yet. I have 2 other cars with AA/CP, same phone, same cables, not a single issue.

I have confidence that on the mechanicals side Toyota will get it right. It's just this drive for quickly outdated tech that requires constant software patches that bugs me.
When I test drive a new Tundra, I will definitely take it on a longer test drive and make sure the infotainment is stable. I have heard way too many horro stories of certain vehicles, of all brands, having infotainment that crashes, reboots, locks up, glitches, etc. That'd be a bad way to start off a $60K+ purchase!

 

We bought a CC truck, 6 seater with 5'7" bed because at the time we needed the cab space when we towed the boat and brought along our young kid and friends.
Kid is old enough now that not long after I buy a truck we will basically just be using the truck for camping with my wife and myself.
A extended cab truck, 6.5 bed and fiberglass topper works perfect for us, we like to sleep in the bed instead of a tent, and our current truck works OK like that at 5'7", but it'd really be nice to have a 6.5 bed.

The real question will be, what trim levels will Toyota offer with an extended cab 6.5 bed truck? I am very interested in whatever trim gets me skid plates and a locking rear diff. I know with Nissan, they have recently decided to NOT offer that on their extended cab Frontier and Titan after 2019, a main reason I am seeing what Toyota offers. Why do these manufacturers think only a crew cab truck is off-roaded?

 

Towing what? My truck easily handles my 6k lb TT, it just needs more payload. I already hate the size of the Tundra for city driving and a 3/4 ton wouldn't fit in the garage.

This isn't hard for Toyota, just give us more payload.

 

I’ve seen them DC 8’ bed, it’s like driving a limousine, not for city for sure

 

Agreed. My truck is long enough. If there was an option right between the DC and CM, (6ft bed with a standard crew cab; not huge, not small) same wheelbase, same frame, just push the crewmax cab forward 6” for 6” more bed space, that would be awesome.

 

I think that'd be the sweet spot money winning combo, but only if they kept the CM roll down window. That's a must.

 

That rear window is staying for sure, they confirmed already.

 

I have an honest question…in pounds how much more payload would you want the Tundra to have?

For arguments sake let’s say the current Tundra only had a 1000 pound payload (the heaviest model has what 1100). A true 1/2 pickup by design. Now let’s say the upped the payload to 1500 pounds. That would now be a 3/4 ton pickup. I am aware of all those that complain about payload so this isn’t solely directed at you and I don’t mean it to be.

Basically what I am getting it is that many buyers (on Tundras.com mainly) what a 5/8 Ton pickup. Unfortunately that simply isn’t a choice and a real 3/4 ton is the only way to go.

Yes Ford, Ram, and Chevy have slightly more payload but without researching one would be lead to believe that the Tundras is significantly lower and it’s simply not.

Payload also is far from the entire story. The Tacoma, 4Runner, and Tundra has similar payload. Put 700 pounds in the bed of a Tacoma or rear cargo area of a 4 Runner and I am willing to bet the Tundra will be significantly more confident with 1k in the bed.

 

Titan xd is a ⅝ ton…lol

 

Payload ratings have NOTHING to do with pickup class. 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton, 1 ton, or 150,250, 350/1500, 2500, 3500 are not based on payload of the truck. It's old old holdover labels that never changed as trucks became more capable.

 

Yep. Things change. Camper sizes change. The way people use their trucks (and thus their needs) change. Ford and GM make non-HD crew cab 4x4 trucks with 2k+ lbs of payload.

If Toyota gets up in the 2k lbs range payload-wise, it’ll be a home run.

 

I agree that if they can hit 2K lbs. payload in more than just the completely stripped 2WD truck. Aside from the loss of a V8 in the lineup I think they're going to do well anyway. The only thing I wish I could change on my current truck is adding about 500-600 pounds of payload capacity. That'd put me right about 1700-1800 lbs. of payload in a decently equipped 4x4 SR5. Obviously I can make do without, but it'd be nice to not worry about being close on margins.

 

Well then clearly I was wrong…. So in the end it is all smoking mirrors. Because the domestics are getting much more heavy duty (2021 F150 CrewCab: 2700 k payload/13200 towing) yet they are considered the same class. So basically the Tundra really is in a class of its own…with bad gas mileage. I looked up some these payload numbers and I think it’s just a numbers game. Any soccer mom class of pickup will be sucking wind with 2k plus in the bed.

 

A Ridgeline has more cargo capacity than some Tundras, and the new Santa Cruz has even more!

 

FYI the current 3/4 ton gassers get up to ~4000 lbs in payload now. The difference between 3/4 ton and 1 tons is not in payload anymore, but in the towing. SRW 1 tons get ~5000lbs more (heavily dependent on how the truck is equipped) towing in 1 ton configuration over 3/4 ton configuration.

The problem with the Tundra vs the domestics is what is found in the brochure. Ford and Ram advertise in the 3500 lb range for half ton. But for volume models you're looking at 1500-2000 lbs for Ford and Ram, and just over 2000 lbs for GM on your typical CC 5.5' bed with their big engine. The Tundra is now 3-400 lbs down compared to similar cab styles (but can be higher if the domestic truck is one of the weak ones).

 

Fair question. A rule of thumb is multiply your trailers weight by 12-13% to get the conservative hitch weight. Just my opinion, but I'm not going to tow more than about 6,500 -7,000 pounds with any half ton truck.

Hold on everyone for some more maff. 6,000 x 12.5% puts you at 750 lbs on the hitch. Add in passengers (two adults) at 300 lbs (we are both skinny). Now I want to throw my kayak and a generator and other gear in the bed at 300 lbs. This all totals 1,350 pounds.

Yes, I can get a Tundra now that has over 1,500 pounds of payload. But it will not transport my wife in the fashion that she feels necessary. So....

If I can get a blinged out Platinum for her Royal Highness with a payload of 1,400 pounds that would make me pretty happy.

Do I think that will happen? I don't think the F150 Platinum is that high. Maybe close. I may have to skip the ass massager option. Or I would love a DC Platinum which should easily get me to that payload.

 

I'd also like to know what they are targeting for MSRP. One of the reasons I put a 21 on order was the price, I didn't want to wait and find out that a comparably equipped truck was going to cost me 10k more.