2022 Tundra

As we get a tiny bit closer, and the thought of buying a $50K+ truck looms in serious consideration for me, there's a few things that would be a no-go for me:

- almost a deal breaker if no AutoAWD function, 99% sure I'm out if no AWD.
- must have actual locking rear diff at minimum, 99% sure I'm out if no locker(s)
- must be notably quicker than the 5.7, I may bend on this one if it's as quick as the 5.7 but much better MPGs

I am totally satisfied with my current truck, but would LOVE to be able to buy a new "Japanese branded" truck with AWD. It's the one item I can't add to my current truck, and I won't buy the Big 3, which I believe all have AWD as an option.
I pretty much think in all other areas the new Tundra will excel, which is great, but wouldn't get me to part with my $$$$ unless those 3 items are met (I could be OK with just #1 or #2, but not without both!)

 

The rear locker is an easy fix if toyota keeps the 10.5 axle. Which they should, it is basically bulletproof for a half ton truck. Harrop has an e locker, there is a gear driven posi now, and the arb air locker

 

I don't think the Cadillacs are any better than the cheap Chevys. The only GM product I'd buy would be a full size body on frame 4x4.

 

And don't follow the Ford model of forcing people into an upper trim level to get 4Auto or the GM model of forcing people into an upper model to get bucket seats or interior storage.

 

Problem is the AFM lifters are still in there. And they fail regardless of software.

 

I was just talking about the dealer experience, a GMC or Cadillac dealer will usually treat it's customers better than a Chevrolet dealership.

If we're talking about driving/reliability experience, I have driven new 2020+ Chevrolets, such as Silverado and Malibu, and my friend has a 2015 CTS VSport TT V6 sedan and 2016 Escalade. I can confirm, I personally don't like modern Chevrolets, something feels "off" about them, but the Cadillacs drive awesome and he has had zero problems with the Cadillacs. When he takes them in for service, he is treated extremely well.

I definitely have no opinion about Chevrolet reliability, I think they are pretty good these days, if they don't have DOD

 

But it was Nissan

 

When I did electrical work I handled maintaining the lighting at a Ford and a Toyota dealership. Every month I did a full walk through of both dealerships, replaced every bulb and ballast that was out so I spend alot of time in them and talked to alot of the mechanics.
The Ford dealer had at any given time 50+ vehicles parked out back waiting for work and the bays were never empty. Wheel bearings, brakes, miss fires, won't start, power steering, and electrical issues were the repeating problems. Most ranged from brand new to 3 years old.
The truck shop was the thing that really got me. Every single time I went back there there was at least 2 trucks with drive out tags either waiting for a new engine, or getting one put in it. The most I ever saw was 9 sitting with drive out tags. There were more 6.7 powerstrokes, but there were quite a few eco boosts and 5.0's too.
Go to the Toyota dealership, that is admittedly smaller than the Ford was but not small, and it's completely different. Start the day with 9/12 work bays empty and they'd start filling up at general maintenance walk in's show up. The biggest repairs I ever saw while there was a prius having its battery replaced under warranty, a tundra getting a cam tower leak repaired, a highlander that lost a transmission, and another tundra that was having the rear axle seals and bearings replaced.

The other thing that stuck out to me was the employee lot at each. The Toyota employee lot was full of Toyotas from brand new to 22re pickups. The Ford lot was full of anything but ford's except for the salesman.

They all have problems, just Toyota seems to have a hell of alot less overall.

 

I will admit, up front, I know dog squat about Toyota's new diesel V6, other than it is nearly as powerful as some V8s and way more torque.

However, I have heard rumors that Toyota makes a "compliant" diesel without all of the troublesome external components like cooled EGR and DEF/DPF systems. Honda did a similar thing with their CVCC engine tech in the 70's, back then air pumps, EGRs and catalytic converters were creating expense, reliability issues and reduced power to comply with new EPA regulations. That era is famous for being the weakest V8s and creating performance malaise. Just like this era will be famous for expensive diesel maintenance. But Honda's new CVCC allowed them to ditch EGR, air pumps and catalytics (the EGR and cats were added a few years later as EPA regs became even more stringent). Basically CVCC was a form of stratified combustion control, just a cylinder head design. If anyone knows, is the Toyota diesel V6 able to meet EPA regs without cooled EGR, DEF/DPF? Because if it still needs those, I would be highly hesitant to buy it even though it's a Toyota. If they did sell a diesel here that complied, without cooled EGR and DEF/DPF I'd strongly consider it.

Probably a snowballs chance in hell anyone is going to try and sell a light diesel in USA again, the EPA is fickle and our current yo-yo extremist presidencies and administrations keep moving the goal posts. I wouldn't bring a diesel here!

 

The entire Gen 2 Titan refresh was botched by Nissan. They had a woman lead the design of Gen 2 Titan, Nissan did not take Gen 2 seriously at all. When I saw the Gen 2 come out, I immediately realized I'd be replacing my Gen 1 with a different brand in the future.

I think what is more relevant to Toyota than Nissan, is VW/Audi/Porsche issues with diesels, I also believe a domestic got caught up in that too at a later time.
Basically not worth it to do diesel in a light vehicle because they aren't shielded like the heavier truck classes are.
Look at how Mazda touted their diesel for years, then sold it for just 1 year in the US. These are companies that took light diesel seriously and all failed.

 

It wouldn't surprise me if Toyota and Honda had plans to bring diesels here some time ago but I'm sure what stopped them were all of the headaches everyone else was (is) having. Mercedes had a diesel engine available in nearly every model at one point, I even remember one in the S class (or at least an announcement of one). Then came the VW "Diesel Gate." That one made headlines but there were many more that didn't and every auto maker had some kind of class action or EPA action or both thrown at them. MB, BMW, other VW models, Ram with the EcoDiesel and more. Just visit that California based class action firm (Hagen, Hagrid, Haygood, something like that is the first name in the firm) for a full list. Now they're backpedaling bigtime, dropping most or all of the diesel options. Add to that the Nissan flopped and I'm sure their marketing research people can tell demand has peaked and has been waning ever since. You can also add the higher diesel fuel cost.

If it wasn't for all of that there probably would be a lot more diesel cars and SUVs running around. Even if Toyota was more daring I doubt they would do it but they like being careful so I'd say there is no chance unless they try to jump into the HD pickup game. Maybe in a few years?

 

I gotta say, with how massive the front grille is on the new Tundra, the fact that at least one type of trim needed the 80" marker lights, the crew cab with a longer bed test mule, it wouldn't surprise me if Toyota did the old trick of one body for 1/2 ton and heavy duty versions. Remember when Chevy, Dodge and Ford models all shared the same cab across their 1/2, 3/4 and 1 ton models?

I mean, WTF gives with such a massive schnoz on the new Tundra? It's not just for "cooling" as that would be a sign of inherent inefficiency. Likely it's just Toyota being a wannabe poser and following everyone else for flexing with massive grilles, OR, it could mean that body is meant for a heavy duty chassis also??

 

Just to stir the pot...

Watching YouTube, That "Kurt" guy last night. He talked about Toyota has a patent for Hybrid/Diesel V-6 engine that maybe
an option for the Tundra & other rigs for 2023, 2024.

Now if this is proven to be true, game changer.


O.S.T.

 

This.

 

And to smother the pot...

If they were doing that it would be for the European market first (or maybe even only).

 

Not this…

 

there was a bad batch of lifters that were not hardened correctly those were failing.

kind of like Toyota and the bad batch of fuel pumps for a specific range of tundras

same thing

not worried about it, problem was corrected by the time this truck was assembled

doubt I have any issues and if I did well there is a warranty, you know like the warranty Toyota has on all of their new vehicles they sell.

peace out

 

ACTUALLY, I believe (again, internet) they mention the patent was also for North American market included.


When I see it, I will believe it. But still, smother or stir, Game Changer.


O.S.T.

 

Lots of patents issued as "placeholders" just to protect IP. Pretty significant number of patents don't lead to an actual product ever being available.

 

If we were going to see a Toyota diesel coming to the US we would already be hearing stories and anecdotes from dealer employees about it that are way more credible and substantive than what we’ve heard so far.

How many diesel technicians does the average Toyota dealer have? Zero. They have roughly zero diesel techs in most dealerships. If you think we’re going to see a Toyota Diesel engine offered in North America in the next 12 months, and you also think Toyota isn’t going to require dealers to train people on how to diagnose and fix Diesel engines you are daft. With a release date this fall and actual trucks by late winter 2022, those guys and gals would already need to be getting trained. If that were happening that would literally be all the dealer service departments would talk about. The internet would know by now.

I think we would also be hearing rumors from the Toyota engine plant in Alabama(?) about it too.

We have industry photographers that run around and take pictures of test mules. Any photos of a probable Tundra test mule at a diesel pump? NOPE. I’ve personally witnessed GM test mules running around getting fuel at a diesel pump in cars and small SUV’s in Edgemont, SD. If there were Toyota test vehicles out and about with a diesel in them someone would have photographed them by now.

Sorry to be such a fun kill, but I’m not seeing it happen. I would also love to be proven wrong on this one.

 

Will any of you be making your choice ro buy based on the decision of going with the new Hybrid TTV6 or upgrade to a supercharged 5.7 V8?

 

What on Earth makes you think a 5.7L of any description is going to be offered in the 2022?

 

Hybrid Tundra, nope.
Prime Tundra, yes.

I don't drive my truck much, I have a daily driver. A Tundra Hybrid would sit in the driveway, batteries rotting away whilst I accumulate less than 5K miles/year on it, because even if Hybrid, it still doesn't make sense to me. I primarily do things that would bypass a hybridized truck (based on F-150 PowerBoost, I'd never see the MPGs because we generally just tow and off-road my current truck).

However, a Prime Tundra.....yeah I'd probably be able to justify daily driving that, if it could go, say, about 25 miles on electricity alone, it'd actually make the truck capable of being my main vehicle. I'd definitely consider a Tundra Prime.

Don't know what's up with S/C V8??

 

Also @JuicyJ . Thought it was obvious but I guess not, sorry..

**Keeping your current Tundra** and just dropping ~10 grand into a S/C. OR buying a new 2022 and getting close to or better numbers/power from the TTV6.

Anyone just looking at their buying decision primarily from this angle?

 

So, the overwhelming sentiment I have seen on these forums about what the new Tundra will posses, has been cargo capacity. Very few are complaining about the 5.7 power.
I have a hunch that the new TTV6 won't out-perform the 5.7 at sea level, just by looking at the slow 0-60 the new LC300 gas TTV6 is getting.

 

I highly doubt anyone is looking at it from this angle. The tundra has enough power for it's capabilities. If you need more power for towing or hauling, you're over the trucks rating and should go 3/4 ton. Unless someone just wants to go fast or is at altitude, it really makes no sense

 

What testing methodology are they using on the Land Cruiser 300? Most 0-60 times I’ve seen published in the US have been “launched” so brake torquing until the engine is making power and then letting off the brake. Or dumping the clutch on a manual transmission at a specific RPM to launch. I don’t consider such abusive testing procedures to be realistic at all, but everyone loves quoting them.

We would need the same methodology applied under the same conditions to get a good comparison anyway.

 

OK, now I’m tracking.

Frankly for those seeking more power than stock, the V35A-FTS will probably offer a lot more easy to access extra power than the 3UR-FE, for a lot less money. An ECU flash has the potential to give an easy 25% HP and torque increase as long as the bottom end and rotating assembly aren’t made from papier mache.

 

What does this offer? I rarely have to use 4WD in my current truck and I used to have a 2WD F150 that I took a lot of off road places and never had a problem.