2022 Tundra

2 reasons - 1) Toyota is big enough to give a go in a test mule, it's a tiny cost to see what it could possibly do, and 2) way earlier in this thread someone said a dealer friend had info the hybrid Tundra pulled 'like a diesel', and how else do you know it pulls like a diesel?

I just can't see it - and my current work truck is a F150 powerstroke; and I see zero advantage over a 3.5 EB. Haven't gotten to drive a 3.5 PB to see how much better it is than a EB.

And diesel electric compared to gasoline electric - I look at Le Mans race cars a few years ago where Audi tried using diesel and the only way they could stay competitive was to crank the power up at night when no one could see the extra soot that was being produced.

It's such a super narrow window where diesel's are even competitive now in the half ton car market now that I don't see Toyota with their small half ton volume putting out an American diesel.

 

The new Land Cruiser 300 is getting the new 3.3L Diesel, it makes 516lb-ft so you are out of luck on that 700lb-ft wish.

 

Ahaha that explains a question I read earlier about removing TSS stickers! I was like, “they’re putting stickers for that e-backseat driver stuff on the truck?!” Big bichin SIDE CURTAIN AIRBAGS sticker right on the hood scoop, “how am I gonna peel that mike foxtrot off!!?”.

 

Oh god, if they do diesel hybrid my wife is gonna be so pissed she has to drive the 14 into the sunset instead of getting a new 4R. I’m going to have to let her test drive something extravagant like a Limited or (retch) 1794) so she loves it and thinks it’s her idea, that’s what I’ll do. Ahh yes, full bore lucid diesel dreams..

 

Would never argue it is a logical choice, and Tundra is niche so they aren't likely to make a wide variety of anything. I agree. But your explanations are really reaching.

1.How does testing a diesel cause release of a video on Toyota USA. "Hey America, we aren't giving you a diesel, but we tested one, and therefore think you should know how they work"

2. An anonymous individual on a forum thread said his anonymous dealer friend "thought it pulled like a diesel", so Toyota USA thought they needed to educate America on how diesels work.

Finally, based on your (n of 1) experience with a Ford F150 3.0 powerstroke vs 3.5 EB, combined with Audi's diesel getting outperformed at Le Mans, you determined that Toyota won't make a diesel truck in the US? Even though they clearly plan to put one in the new LC in other markets and have several others they produce for various markets, just not currently in the US because of emissions regulations.

I'm not delusional, Toyota is not likely producing a diesel Tundra, but these explanations for that video and why are horrible.

 

Dream Killer

 

Not if the rumored torque numbers out of the hybrid drive is true. Hybrid 3.3 would make 700 torque combined

 

And why would we put any stock in wishful rumors?

Honest question, there. I'm not trying to be snarky. I just do not understand the level of debate over hoped for numbers and the anger/disappointment when things that were never officially hinted at don't materialize.

 

I had heard 642lb-ft for the gas V35A-FTS hybrid, with 480hp.

That would put a F33A-FTV at “only” 679lb-ft with the same hybrid system, and 377hp.

I am somewhat skeptical of the rumored torque output of the gas hybrid, much less the existence of a production ready diesel electric hybrid.

 

At this point I will be happy if the new truck can even be had within the next year to test drive or see in the sheet metal.

 

A diesel hybrid would certainly be a world-beater drivetrain.

 

It would also be crazy expensive, and Toyota probably doesn’t want to spend all the time and money to certify a diesel for US emissions.

 

No kidding! I guess Toyota figures it's been 14 years since they've made any meaningful changes to the Tundra so what's another year or so.

I don't see them building a diesel, the EPA has made them uneconomic in the U.S.

I'm a confirmed diesel lover and wish it was possible in this day and age to build one that filled all the wickets but it's really not under our emissions rules. In 1999 I bought my first new vehicle ever, a 1999 dodge ram 2500 diesel. I remember I ordered it to my specs and paid $23,500 for it, I was so happy the day I took delivery. That truck is sitting in my tractor shed now, pretty beat up with 400,000 miles on it. It's now my work truck and only gets driven every few months when I need to pull my 32' gooseneck equipment trailer. It's filled with tools, tractor gear oil, the dash is cracked, the seats are torn, etc., but it fires up at the first turn of the key and pulls the trailer as well as the day I got it. It's been a fantastic truck and has been one of the least expensive vehicles to drive I've ever owned. When I bought it diesel fuel was $1.20 a gallon and it's averaged 21 mpg. The best I've ever got out of it was 26 mpg on a trip to Ohio which was all interstate and I intentionally kept it to 55 mph, I was astonished a truck that size could get that kind of mileage. And no, the diesel maintenance is not expensive. Shell Rotella T is cheap at Wal-mart, fleetguard oil filters are around $10, and a fuel filter is about $15. Servicing it barely cost more than my Camry, the expensive oil changes are a myth if you do them yourself and it would downright shame me to pay someone to change oil in one of my vehicles, are there men out there that do that?

That truck owes me nothing, it's one of the few things I've ever bought that has been absolutely worth what I paid for it and more.

Unfortunately the days of the old school diesels like that are over, the EPA has ruined it for us. Yes, you can get some monstrously powerful diesel pickups today but the reliability of the old diesels isn't there and the fuel mileage is atrocious, plus the price of diesel is considerably more than gasoline, at least it has been for the last 20 years before the recent upheavals due to Covid. Today's diesels get worse fuel mileage than comparable gas trucks, unlike in 1999 when the diesel got about 40% better fuel mileage on fuel that was 20 cents a gallon cheaper. My Tundra gets 15 on regular unleaded, I'm completely uninterested in a new diesel getting 12-13 on fuel that's usually 50 cents a gallon more than unleaded. I'll probably hear from the crowd that crows "if you wanted good mileage you shouldn't drive a pickup" but those saying that are usually enthusiasts, they're not the usual pickup owner who drives the heck out of it to and from work and doesn't have time to debate light bars or other silly stuff like seat colors on forums, they're too busy working and they don't want to piss their hard earned dollars away on a fuel guzzling pickup. They need a truck to haul their stuff but don't want it to take their entire paycheck to feed. The average truck owner DOES care about fuel mileage contrary to what a lot on here think. The modern diesels with the $80K price tag, 12 mpg mileage and $10K emissions system repairs have killed them for many other than the rich retiree RV pulling crowd. They just don't pencil out anymore like my 1999 dodge did. Anywhere other than the U.S. they still do, but the crazy emissions equipment and programming required here make them prone to problems and Toyota doesn't want to attach their name to something that's going to constantly give problems.

I wish it was viable for Toyota to make diesels for the U.S. market, but it's not and I completely understand why they won't.

 

Combustion temps need to be lowered to fight NOx and particulates. Ducted injection will probably help if Toyota continues to develop it.

Another method being further developed is the old Fairbanks-Morse and Junkers two stroke opposed piston diesel. No valves, two pistons per cylinder liner, on two cranks shafts at either end of the block geared together on a common output gear/shaft. Inlet ports in the liner on one end, exhaust ports on the other end, fuel injector(s) in the middle of the bore. Pistons meet at TDC and form a combustion chamber, static compression ratio is lower than a four stroke so NOx and particulate isn’t as prevalent. Quite power dense, and extremely high thermal efficiency.

 

Diesel still get better gas mileage but no where near 40%. The ram 1500 get like 26 mpg, but the addition def and regen hurt the short trip drivability and cost.

 

See the link in post 10181 for current diesel costs and mileage.

 

X2, when I moved up to a 3/4 ton I highly considered a diesel but I just couldn't get it to work out on paper cost wise. So I let the diesel bug pass me by but man it's crazy to see the power these guys are getting from hopped up diesels in this big trucks. They are like the new hotrods in my area but boy are they $$, just had a buddy buy a 2500 dmax for 75k.

 

Like yourself, I still prefer the older diesel engines that are no longer built. That's why I still have my old 7.3 liter Diesel E350 Super Duty Van. Not to mention, it's a van and not many of these around.

I can park this anywhere without any worries of someone damaging it, have everything inside and out of the site. It's amazing how no one will park next to it as parents warned their young ones about creeper vans. lol.

Although it's not a 4x4, it does have a 2 inch lift. Not worried as I have 4 other 4x4s and it get better mileage than any of my other rides other than the Tacoma and CVO Road Glide.

This van is a beast and pulls anything like crazy!



O.S.T.

 

So I'm not familiar with these types of vans at all, and I'm just too curious not to ask...sorry for getting off topic here quite a ways...How does Ford cram a 7.3L diesel in that engine compartment?? Is it as cramped as I imagine it is in there?

Edit: Forgot to mention, that's a sweet setup. A beater van that securely stores a lot of equipment and tows really well.

 

The good news is I have heard the new Tundra will offer a new diesel hybrid. The bad news is the payload will be 630 lbs.

 

I just bought a new 2500 Cummins, while I really didn’t “need” the diesel and could have gotten away with a gas and just suffered a little bit the maybe 10-15 times a year I pull a big trailer, but I wanted it and can justify it for my work. I will say I’m pulling 20mpg and diesel in CA is the same price as unleaded, def is cheap and the the service is about 50% more expensive but the service interval is 15,000 miles instead of 10,000 that my tundra was. The really expensive part of new diesels is the price of admission my tundra was 46k new, my new ram was 70k new similar equipment just a little more tech on the ram with the surround view camera system, and the in California the price of registration, which doubled from the tundra to ram.

I got tired of waiting for the new tundra and succumbed to the feeling that the new tundra was going to be more like other half ton offerings in that it’s going to be built for car people who want a truck built to ride and perform like their car. If Toyota releases and diesel truck with 2000lbs of payload that doesn’t weight under 5500lbs I’ll definitely be salty.

 

Between the V8 is staying rumor and the diesel rumor (and even better the diesel hybrid rumor) I'm starting to wonder if we're trying to look desperate, pathetic and starved for info to the point where Toyota feels sorry for our lot and releases more info a month early?

 

Simple,


Cramped, Stuffed or whatever you to want call it is simply amazing that they could have such a big azz diesel motor inside the van. The secondary battery is located under the side sliding door of the cargo area. Down side: it's a pain to work on the motor. Currently I have 344k miles on the clock and it truly runs killer as if it was brand new. They do say these old 7.3 liter motors are million mile motors, if that's the case. I am just breaking this ole girl in!

I have replaced a lot of things around the motor but that's to be expected.



O.S.T.

 

Ahem.....train

 

I'm sure someone would be more than happy to do a straight trade with you if you want to put your money where your mouth is.

 

What electric nannies are you talking about? I have an 18 Platinum, and I have the parking sensors / rear cross traffic / lane departure / emergency stop / etc all turned off, and they stay off until you turn them back on? Did this change with the 2021’s?

The only other nanny I know of on the truck that resets is the traction control, which is still the same garbage one that was in my 2010.

I have to give Toyota credit for their TSS system. You can basically set it to whatever level of input you want, and it stays there.

 

I would have been all in if I hadn't already spent thousands modifying this truck. If someone approached me with an similarly modded truck that was registered in CA I would consider swapping. I'm actually thinking about just selling this truck and taking the equity to buy a 2nd gen cash

 

I would like to turn off the front parking sensors permanently because they beep at everything but I know its not possible without disabling the rear. It would be nice to get rid off the ACC. It doesn't work effectively with traffic where I live.

How are you disabling the BSM and emergency stop features? I asked the dealer and tried searching the manual but no luck. The emergency stop goes off all the time in traffic.

 

If you want regular cruise control, just hold the on/off button when you first turn it on.

You can disable the pre-collision system but you have to do it each time you start the truck and then you have to look at an orange warning light on the dash.

 

At this point I don't think too many here are putting stock in anything beyond the 3.5 TT with a hybrid option at some point. I certainly know I'm not.

But just the possibilities of what they could/would/should do is fun to talk about. If we didn't talk about possibilities this thread would be 50 pages. 10 of actual 22 talk and 40 filled with bashing domestic trucks.

Yes, a part of me wishes they'd bring the 3.3 diesel over as I think the frequent towing crowd would buy them like crazy. A hybrid system with it would be awesome. Do I think they'll actually bring it over? Hell no. Am I going to be upset about it when they don't? Hell no. Anyone with common sense won't be upset either.

Now if the 22 shows up with hardly any towing or payload improvements, requires premium fuel, and gets 2 mpg better than the 5.7, all of which I could easily see with Toyota, that's a legitimate reason for disappointment.