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Light weight 18" wheels and A/T tire recommendations

Discussion in 'Wheels & Tires' started by Johnders2586, Jul 21, 2021.

  1. Jul 21, 2021 at 3:33 PM
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    Asking for a friend, He recently upgraded to some Toyo AT3 295/70-18 and really dislikes how it drives now. Feels it's working the truck to much. Doesnt like the ride, handling ect.. personally I think he needs to remove his tampon. But I digress. He feels if he goes down from an 18x9 to a 18x8 wheel and maybe down 1 tires size and NOT 10 ply that it would be better. Does anyone have a recommendation for a setup like this? Any lighter weight AT non 10 ply tires options? Nice light weight wheels in this size? What are you guys running out there to reduce some of the weight but have good looks and function? Appreciate the help..
     
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  2. Jul 21, 2021 at 4:24 PM
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    Nitto Terra Grappler G2's. 4 ply. As smooth as a baby's butt. :hattip:
     
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  3. Jul 21, 2021 at 4:43 PM
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    Might as well just go back to stock setup.
     
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    Tons of tire options out there. Basically the more highway tread and less AT rugged tread, the smoother it will be. Heck, if he wants a smooth ride just put highway Tires on and call it a day. A quick suggestion would be to lower the pressure to 36-38 and those Toyo’s will be much smoother. I run that same tire and think they are quite smooth.
     
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    Those toyos are some of the lightest in that size. He’s not gonna get much better if he wants an off-road capable tire.
     
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    I just went to 295 70 18 gram lights with toyo AT3 from 275 55 20 and didn't notice any big change. The gram lights only weigh about 25 lbs not sure about the tires though.
     
  7. Jul 21, 2021 at 8:09 PM
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    Tire and wheel combo weight is a big factor.

    For instance, my factory wheels weigh 37 lbs and my size 265/70/18 tires are normally 51-56 lbs each unless I go with a wild peak. Those are some heavy ass tires.

    So worse case scenario I could be 93 lbs. I looked into going with a newer style wheel and tire setup in a 20", but that is 98 lbs and going up from 32.7" to 34.2" tire.

    Did some research and found my new tire and wheel combo.

    Wheel I will be going with a Method or Raceline.

    Method MR301 33.2 lbs each. If I can change out the bolts to black this is probably the wheel I will go with. This saves me 15.2 lbs in wheels alone.
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    Raceline 947B scouts. 36 lbs each. Save 4 lbs
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    For comparison 39 lb wheel, so 8 lbs increase. No thank you and chrome.

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    These Black Rhino's are 46 lbs each. 36 lbs increase...not happening.

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    Tires. I would like to get up to a Load Index 125 tire, but this might sacrifice more than I want in weight and fuel economy. OEM tire weighs in at 51 lbs each.

    BFG AT KO 56 lbs each- increase of 20 lbs.
    Cooper XLT (current tire) 54 lbs- increase of 12 lbs.
    Wild Peak 60 lbs- 36 lbs increase
    Nitto TG 45 lbs- 24 lb decrease
    Toyo 49 lbs- 8 decrease.

    Best case, I can save 9.75 lbs per wheel or 39 lbs of rolling resistance that I have to stop/accelerate. That's pretty impressive.
     
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    This is great info, thank you
     
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    3/2 Lift Gear Double Pump rims 295/70r18 Nitto Terra Grappler G2s
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    Anyone driving mostly on-road who wants to keep their gas mileage (all of it) but still have the rugged off-road look of AT tires needs to buy the Nitto Terra Grappler G2s. I have the 295/70r18 116S. They are 34.3" diameter and weigh only 50 lbs. They are quiet, and have a 65k warranty. Unless you are doing serious off-road driving you have no need for LT tires which will cut 2 to 4 mpg.
     
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    TRD/BBS forged wheels...27lbs
     
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    50 lb tires are not going to keep stock mpg. Stock SL tires are only about 32 lbs. I have the same size 295/70R18 in Toyo atiii which I believe are about 54 lbs and took a pretty good hit on mpg.
     
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    3/2 Lift Gear Double Pump rims 295/70r18 Nitto Terra Grappler G2s
    @BayRunner
    I calculate my MPG based on stock 255s vs 295 tire rotations per mile.
    I went from 15 or 16 MPG all city with the Stock bridgestone's to 17.25 MPG - 90% city, with the 295/70r18 Nitto Terra Grappler G2 S116.
    393.3 Miles on 22.8 gallons of gas.

    The 255/70r18 Bridgestone Revo 3 ATs that i had were 39 lbs not 32lbs

    Also, Toyo Open Country AT III LT295/70R18 129/126S E BSW - 63 lbs with a tread depth of 16.6

    Weight and tread depth is why you took the hit.
     
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    @Lucky0402 I think you’re one of the first to run those P rated terra grapplers… I think I’m gonna go with those next for exactly the same reason
     
  16. Aug 24, 2021 at 8:44 AM
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    Same as factory alloy 18s. I've weighed them. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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    It's the the same wheel as the Pro. One is stamped Pro, mine TRD.
     
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    I was referring to these two examples. I pulled the tires off of the silver ones and put one on the scale, it weighed 27lbs.

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    Gotcha...interesting!
     
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    I was quite surprised.
     
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    Just might be the perfect weight for a Tundra wheel... :thumbsup:
     
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    By design maybe? lol
     
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    3/2 Lift Gear Double Pump rims 295/70r18 Nitto Terra Grappler G2s
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    I did more research than I am willing to admit before buying the Nitto Terra grappler G2s S116s. I read many many postings where people would ask what 35" (or close to it) tires they could put on their Tundra and not kill their MPG. Most people would reply with something like, "You don't buy a Tundra for MPG!" and then they'd say they lost 3 to 4 MPG when going with LT 35" tires. I get it, If you wanted MPG you shouldn't have bought a Tundra, but to me that's a very unstudied answer.
    There are two primary reasons why MPG is affected - without going into great detail and explaining sprung and unsprang weight - tread depth, and tire weight.
    When you can hear the tires of another person's truck, that is friction/drag....they are losing MPG. So Mud Tires (M/T) and LT All Terrain (A/T) tires that are noisy will also mean more drag and thus loss of MPG.
    If you add 30 to 35 lbs of tire weight to the roll resistant tires, then you will kill the MPG even further.
    Stock tires weight about 39 lbs and have more revolutions per mile vs say a 34.3 inch tire. So, if you only increase the circumference of the tire but not the tread depth or weight, your MPG would go up. This is of coarse impossible t since there are not tires like this...but I thought there had to be a good balance out there.
    I read post after post after post, and never saw anyone running the NON-LT/hard metric Nittos, which weigh about 15lbs to 25 lbs less per tire vs. an A/T LT tire of the same size.
    I created an account so that for the purpose of getting the word out that while you shouldn't buy a truck for MPG, you can still keep almost all of it if you make a wise choice on tires.
    The only A/T tire that is 295/70r18 on the market, weighing in at just over 50 lbs, are the Nitto Terra Grappler G2s.

    Not to mention, added roll resistance combined with added weight does nothing to help the life of your transmission.
     
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    Good info.
    I made a small spead sheet showing sizes and weights of some tires I am looking at.
    I have had great experience with the Toyo's and Falkens, never tried the Nitto's.

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    Here is my experience with my truck.

    35x12 toyo AT 2
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    35s are hell on our transmission and mpg, duh expected that. Got 15 on the freeway it was awful and drove like crap.

    now E rated vs P rated in the stock size, very very little difference in drive ability. When i first did it, it felt a little quicker, but i now do not think it was the weight of the tire, but the michelins have such better grip on pavement than the bfgs did. It was much easier to chirp the bfg’s around corners. Zero difference in MPG in city, maybe 1 mpg difference on highway, but I don’t do enough miles to have good data on that.

    now that i have tested both, i will do the E rated michelins next time.
     
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    Agreed.
    The MPG and transmission wear will be minimal if anything at all, at the stock tire size.

    But at 295/70r18 E rated vs P rated (as well as tread depth) makes a much larger difference, with few exceptions. One being the Michelin Defender XLT tires which come in the 295/70r18 size and are an E rated LT tire. There is another guy on this forum who runs those and said he only lost .5 MPG. Sure they are heavier tires, weighing in at 59 lbs (i think) but they have a highway tread on them for a smooth fuel efficient ride. If i didn't want the "off-road" look, I would have gone with those.

    Nitto has other sizes besides the 295/70r18 in the P rated/hard metric sizes.

    Terra Grapplers G2s
    https://www.nittotire.com/light-truck-tires/terra-grappler-g2-all-terrain-light-truck-tire/

    Ridge Grapplers - A more aggressive tire, have not used these but they have light weight sizes as well.
    https://www.nittotire.com/light-truck-tires/ridge-grappler-light-truck-tire/

    Yesterday, my brother bought some Nitto Terra Grappler G2s, 305/55r20 P rated, for his GMC truck (GMC....pfft). You cannot hear them in the slightest, and no power loss either which will happen when adding a lot of tire weight and deep tread....and road noise.
     
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    275 70 18, a little smaller but still over 33". General just came out with the Grabber ATX in a p rated, 46 pound tire. I'm ordering them soon.
     
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    3/2 Lift Gear Double Pump rims 295/70r18 Nitto Terra Grappler G2s
    Yeah, I saw those when I was in the searching process for tires. I was very tempted to get those, and had i gone with that size, I probably would have. Light weight, but still a beefy AT tire.
     
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    Not enough....
    I'll second this. I love my FN BFD wheels, however I did slap super heavy 35's on them.....soooo only a tiny offset in total weight.

    As for the OP's friend, I think he clearly just isn't used to 10 ply tires. I suggest he either step back down a P rated tires, or maybe a C rated, which is 6 ply. He can still get a good A/T tire that is C rated, and it shouldn't affect his ride quality quite as much.
     
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    I hate to say this since it's seems difficult to get, but SCS Ray10's are only 27lbs too. I wanted BFD's but they were never in stock.
     

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