2022 Tundra

Having direct injection makes me nervous. Sound like it’s basically impossible to avoid expensive port cleanings.

 

Toyota uses port injection in addition so you still have fuel washing the intake valves. Strait DI though is an issue, especially on an engine that never get run hard.

 

Aside from all that take a,ook at the interior of the LC300, that could be a preview to the tundra interior, esp the dash. I say that since it seem toyota maybe stream lining production of the LC, Tundra and Tacoma with jig sharing from other videos.

Notice the console shifter, it sits higher than what we have now, by a considerable amount. I also like the dash layout from what I could see. Interesting possabilities

 

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Got a better look at it on my desk top. Nice result, wonder why they didn't start the dyno plot or pull at a bit lower RPM. Maybe DynoJet dynos don't produce accurate data below that speed?

Either way looking at peak torque average between the two pulls vs the claimed 479lb-ft at the crank gives a loss of 16.5% through the driveline, and that is probably realistic. Too bad they weren't able to capture lower RPM's under full engine load, as it is it appears the dyno may not have registered well until 3K RPM anyway. Looks like a torque dip around 3K so Toyota's claim of a flat 479lb-ft might be BS, or the dyno wasn't giving good data down there. I also notice the dyno registered near peak torque duration lasting until about 4000 RPM's when Toyota claims 3600 RPM's.

Horsepower reading is interesting as well, at 5200 RPM which Toyota claims is peak hp the reading shows about 350hp. With a 15-17% driveline parasitic loss that is right in the crank horsepower range Toyota claims, 409-419hp at that engine speed. What I find interesting is that plot shows power building 400 RPM past that and peaking at an average of 374hp to the wheels at around 5600 RPM's, and if the 16.5% driveline loss is a reasonable approximation that would be around 447hp at the crank.

In both instances there is a 400 RPM difference in peak power and peak torque from what Toyota is claiming. Could this be an error on the dyno? Or is Toyota low balling?

 

I’m in the same boat as you, especially since I Idle a lot in my trucks. Hopefully towing enough and highway miles offsets it

 

Direct injection is certainly a candidate for a catch can .

 

Guys the V35A-FTS uses both port fuel injection and direct injection. You know that right?

I don’t think Toyota uses any direct injection fuel systems that aren’t also paired with a port fuel injection system.

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_KMyfpop9Fs

 

I'm with ya,' except for running in TH mode. I'm not crazy about how long TH holds every gear before shifting. It's been years since my Tundra was driven in "D" and I certainly don't miss it.

 

Just making use of the Sequential Shifter is really all it takes to mitigate needless gear hunting.

 

A-a-Ron and I were speaking on DI since that’s what the GM 6.6 gasser has

 

TH mode exists to hold gears longer….

 

It does, the same system that is on the Tacoma the D-4s technology. There is a 10 minute cleaning cycle that is has as well, you will know it if you are in a drive thru next to a wall, it makes the truck sound like an 18 wheeler....lol...I have had more than one drive thru attendant ask if there was something wrong with my truck, and one say...I didn't know they were putting diesels in those now...lol

The system must work ok, there are a few 3rd Gen Tacomas at or over 300K and you don't hear too many fuel injection related issues like you do with some of the other brands that use direct injection.

 

Does the LS TTV6 have this type of fuel management tech?

 

This is probably one of the best posts I've ever seen. Seriously. I can't tell you how many times I've tried to explain this to people.

The issue is *NOT* the truck. 40 years ago a truck like this would have been unheard of - hell, almost 20 years ago. When it came out in 2007 it blew peoples' minds - but now, despite reliability issues, any other truck has features and power and towing capability. Reliability/longevity? Not so much, but hey, it's got those other things. LOL

Should the Tundra be improved? You bet....but it's not the fault of the Tundra that 1/2 ton buyers are doing things with their trucks that was squarely in the realm of 3/4 ton and up 10-15 years ago or so.

 

There are no bad 1/2 ton trucks. Tundras are more reliable on average but there are bad tundras. Others have more features and performance but are less reliable on average.

Is the reliability gap large enough to sacrifice benefits from other brands? That’s what we all have to decide. In 2015, the perceived reliability gap was not large enough and I purchased a domestic brand. It’s turned out great. I made the right decision for me.

The notion that Tundras are the only reliable truck is just silly and overly simplistic.

 

I believe so yes, at least according to Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Dynamic_Force_engine

 

I agree with you, especially if you tend to trade your vehicle every 100-150K. I usually trade or sell every 100K or so, long term reliability is not really that big of a deal for me personally, what is a big deal, and one of the main reasons I like toyota trucks and product in general is resale value. Now...if and when I am in the market for a high mileage truck (beater) I always look at Toyotas as well, because the flip side of the coin is that I think that Toyota Tundra's, Tacoma, 4 runners etc are some of the best buys on the market if your budget is for a used high mileage vehicle. Toyota and Subaru are actually the only brands that I will consider buying used with anywhere over 100k on them.

 

Will be interesting to see if Toyota makes any changes to the engine before dropping it in the new Tundra. Sales didn’t drop from the Camry engine being used in the Taco.

 

Yeah I don't think Toyota is gonna have an issue selling every single tundra they make.

 

I said it could be a preview.
With Toyota Peet’s sharing for 2022 between the LC, tundra and Tacoma it would not surprise me to see the same or similar interior in the tundra.

we won’t know for sure for a few more weeks anyway unless there’s a new pic out other than the wind shield view of a desert with the top 2 inches of dash showing

 

I agree with you that Tundras are more reliable and you bring up an excellent point on if the reliably gap is worth not purchasing a domestic 1/2 ton… Again well said.

I was actually looking at Fords prior to purchasing my Tundra. For me simply out of principal I refuse to buy a GM or Ram product because they took tax payer bailout money. And it cost us ALL however I will never fault or judge anyone for purchasing one.

But the main point I wanted to bring up it that the Tundra offered hands down the best value at the price point I got. Every Ford dealership I call and visited all tried to push me in to a fully loaded F150 which the vast majority of them had a MSRP of 55k and above. That is sheer insanity in for me personally. And they had zero interest is searching for the truck I wanted.

Personally I have no use for all these extra features. Unlike many here I am very satisfied with my purchase because its exactly what I need.

I know Tundra are extremely reliable but I don’t think thats the only reason why people keep buying them….

 

100%. Forced induction engines don’t lose that full 18% at 5k feet, and you’re likely losing about 25-30% over passes.

HP Loss = (elevation x 0.03 x horsepower @ sea level)/1000

 

This!!

 

You can find a nicely optioned Xlt for low 50s, and what I did.

 

But I got a TRD Off-road DC 4x4 for 41k. I was interested in a CrewCab STX with just the radio upgrade and towing package. Couldn’t find it…

And this is the point of my previous post: is the F150 worth 9k more for better creature comforts?

In all honesty one thing that also scared me off about the XLT was the rear sag. I saw one that sagged over 3 inches with a 5k trailer. It was loaded properly (balanced with more weight up front).

 

No, they're not the only reliable truck. But they are the *most* reliable truck. Additionally - and this for me was also key - the local Toyota dealership is one of the best out there, IMHO.

My two previous F150's have never left me stranded. (My F250 did twice.) But they ABSOLUTELY spent a ton of time in the shop. None of the issues were huge (valve body separator plate cavitation; two rear glass replacements; right rear door latch failure issues; and so on) but they all required multiple trips to the dealership, and I had to fight to get them to cover warranty stuff.

Given the above, I went with the most reliable truck, statistically. More to the point, I went with the most reliable truck that ALSO had the best local dealership. LOL The two local Ford dealerships are crap; and the Ram isn't much better.

 

Y'know, this is a great point. When I purchased my F150 in 2013, it wasn't hard at all to find some decent 'basic' trucks. (E.g., a few STX's or XLT's with a decent array of features.)

Now? You seem to either get

- a basic XL
- OR a completely loaded XLT/Lariat/King Ranch/Platinum

and rarely with an engine you'd actually want to drive.