2022 Tundra

I wouldn't mind owning a domestic truck if the service departments were better. But, if you own a $60K vehicle and take it to a place that sees Escorts, Focuses, Neons, Cavaliers, Cobalts, all the time it's gonna suck.
I've had troublesome cars before, but the dealers treated their customers really well (German car) so it wasn't a big deal.

 

Im not sure if you are even being serious at this point. My Tundra has been in service for two recalls already. They are in the news regularly.

You need to quit while you are behind.

 

Is your truck perpetually in the shop? For 30 days at a time or more? Probably not.

I will venture a guess that owners of other 1/2 tons also don’t suffer from their trucks being perpetually broken.

I should have clarified my last post a bit more.

 

Nice Ram air scoop.

 

I hear you on that, domestic dealers are very hit or miss. My closest Chevrolet dealer has been quite good, and the facility is clean nicely furnished etc. I don’t mind getting service done on the SS there at all. Last Chevrolet dealer I visited to pick up an air filter away from my area was a total dump.

 

Probably so.

 

Sure, send me a $5000 cash reward and a gaudy medal. Make it look like something a 3rd world country military dictator would award himself. Oh and I want a silly hat.

Buying in 2007 and still owning and daily driving it 14 years later, and those of us who have done so for that long or longer have a lot more credibility to discuss long term reliability, durability etc than guys who never get past the warranty period. Again nothing wrong with staying in a new vehicle under warranty if that’s how you choose to use your money, but I’m not personally taking arguments for long term reliability from guys who own a vehicle for 3-5 years seriously. Unless they’re putting serious miles on them.

 

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A Tundra owner bashing thread?

 

Sure, why not? I mean, what the hell was I thinking?

 

Play nice in the sandbox guys..

 

Sort of.

I am a Tundra owner, but I’m fully aware of the short comings of the Tundra as it stands in the current market. If I had to buy a truck today (assuming inventory levels were normal) I would not find the current Tundra competitive.

I also sincerely hope that the 2022+ knocks it out of the park on features, tech, and power/capabilities.

Let’s see the Tundra be THE choice in the 1/2 ton segment for all reasons.

 

I have driven the new Taco with the TRD Off Road package. Averaged 12.8 mpg with cruise control set at 75 with a slight head wind. Engine was making so many bad noises straining. Seriously one of the worse experiences driving a pickup. Also, I only had one other person in the truck. Not towing and nothing in the bed.

 

You have a 2007...not sure Toyota will miss your once every 14 year purchase.

 

toyota never invent new, or spend any money on R&D, all they do is pick out which feature is nice on other trucks and put it in their 2022 tundra.

 

That is the truth!

Weirdos like me are NOT the customers a new car manufacturer wants. LOL.

 

Again, part of being competitive is pricing. Have you shopped the F150 recently? How much of a premium would you be willing to pay for one over the Tundra?

And if you think I'm a "fan boi' go back and look at some of my past posts about my truck, lol.

 

This is what everyone in this thread talking about how "unreliable" a TTV6 will be need to realize...

Almost everyone else is gonna eat it up and buy a new truck 3 years down the road, reliability doesn't matter to most people buying new vehicles... it matters to the 3rd owner when it's got 150k miles on it.

 

You are not entirely accurate, but you’re not completely wrong either.

Toyota does a TON of R&D. Just not always oriented at creating new tech they plan to put into production. They seem (to an outsider looking in) to devote a lot of R&D time and $$$ to refining and perfecting current competitive technology. In many instances tech that other makers have introduced to market before Toyota has but in a less refined/reliable form.

Does that mean Toyota copied the competition? Not in every case, I think we would be amazed at how much overlap in R&D there is between the big auto manufacturers. They’re all playing with similar new stuff but prioritize different projects to green light for production.

Now in the case of the TTV6 in a 1/2 ton, I think it’s safe to say Ford lead the way and proved it’s viable in the market. Toyota may have been eying it and testing it based on CAFE requirements, but held off until a competitor tried it out first. An engine and transmission family take upwards of a decade to develop, so the V35A-FTS probably started development back in about 2008 to make it in time for the 2018 model year LS500. That means Toyota was probably working on it before the Ford EcoBoost was on the market.

 

I could have quoted any of your recent posts to respond to you, but you bringing up Cognitive Dissonance made me chuckle at the irony so I chose this one.

First of all, this is a Tundra forum - it’s for Tundra fanboys, and people looking for information on Tundras, by design - this is meant to be an echo chamber where we all discuss, and help each other with Tundra related things. The fact that you continuously preach with such absolute righteousness about the plethora of topics, only highlights your own cognitive dissonance. I’m willing to be wrong about things, I’ve admitting when I’ve been wrong - when have you admitted you were wrong after people poked holes in your absolute statements?

I purchased my 2020 Tundra TRD Pro in November 2019 because my family was growing, and my 2012 FJ Cruiser was no longer logistically capable. I loved my FJ cruiser which I bought when I decided I no longer needed a truck, and sold my 2004 Toyota Tacoma. Since our family was growing, my wife and I both needed to purchase larger vehicles, and my wife no longer wanted to drive a truck - so we sold her 2013 Tacoma to buy a 2020 Lexus RX350 F-Sport.

“Why is he boring me with all of these details?”

Because you stated with absolute conviction, that the only people that are buying Tundras are those that buy a new vehicle as soon as the warranty expires, and antiquated people that find comfort in old technology - and that the reliably argument isn’t applicable.

Well it is for me, and I buy my vehicles based off of two factors - reliably, and resale value - because I want a vehicle that will get me where I need to go reliably - and when it comes time to get rid of it, I’d like to still have some value in it.

My first car was a 1985 Toyota Corolla SR5 Hatchback. I bought it from my mom in 2000 for $500. I drove it for three years until I saved up enough to buy a 1999 Ford Ranger, the Ford Ranger’s transmission shit the bed nine months later, so I drove the Corolla for a few more months until it had 365,000 original miles on it, and I traded in the Ford Ranger at a great loss to buy my 2004 Tacoma.

Again, why am I giving you all of this information? Cause you’re wrong dude. You’re making a ton of assumptions about this community as a whole, and your arguments just end up looking stupid, because you’re wrong about a lot of things that you state as fact. I legitimately don’t understand what your goal is here - but it would be pretty cool if you’d be open to the possibility, that you don’t have us all figured out, and quite possibly - The cognitive dissonance is staring right back at you in the mirror.

 

Aside from the insanity of the automotive market this year, when has anyone other than a rube paid sticker for an F-150 or Silverado/Sierra? Usually there’s the sticker price and an enormous discount and incentives that bring those trucks solidly in line with what a Tundra costs because Toyota doesn’t do incentives like that.

Helps resale of the Tundra for sure, but resale isn’t everything.

 

And the broad, sweeping, negative judgements of huge groups of people continue. Any who disagree with you are "blind" or "troglodytes who hate new things", and none of us keep our trucks so we're obviously too dumb for the reliability to matter.
A dude trading in a 3 year old Tundra with minimal loss is obviously not benefitting from greater resale value retention that's been established and maintained for over a decade. He/she is wrong and a troglodyte. The unfortunate owner who gets t-boned and has their nearly new Tundra totalled, but can afford to get another because they weren't upside down on their loan is just as wrong, and also a troglodyte.
You may have knowledge to share, valuable experience, and insight into things that people could benefit from, but you're so insulting that none of it will get through. All that will be seen is your continuously spewed venom and contempt for a community that you voluntarily joined.
This is coming from me, an acerbic, and bluntly honest dick/asshole; but I at least have enough social intelligence and tact to resist insulting anyone that I'm legitimately trying to convince/teach. Get off your high horse and drop the condescending vitriol if you want to be taken seriously.

I really try to give people a chance. Everybody has a bad day, but this persistent and continual insulting out of you has gone unaddressed long enough. The hilarious and sad thing is that everyone on here can mute you, and it won't matter. You'll still go on about how right you are and how wrong we are in an empty room, just to hear yourself speak. Little quote for you: "The empty can rattles the most."

I may not be the first, but I'm certain I won't be the last to give you a rare spot on my ignore list.

 

I'm going to disagree again. If you read theses forums I rarely ever hear from members complaining about a problem with their 150k mile truck. Maybe seeking help or information, but not complaining. By far, most of the complaints are about problems with a newer trucks. Because people buy a new truck and pay the premium because they value reliability.

It's also why the initial reliabilty awards are valued by the car manufacturers. Newer vehicles do have problems. Some more than others.

 

If I’m painting with a broad brush that doesn’t apply to you then good for you.

My observation in this thread (not all of the forum) is a lot of guys who have new trucks, who traded in their last one before it was out of warranty. Who want to tout long term reliability. It’s not a credible argument for their personal situation and buying habits based on their history of vehicle ownership.

If pointing this out is rude and hurts their feelings, well I guess the world must be a really cruel place.

 

I agree with your responses here, but I can’t help myself but point out that you responded to the same message twice, but with different answers. It’s the truth at first, but then it’s not entirely accurate. This is a common trait in people that suffer from cognitive dissonance.

 

Never had an issue....with that being said I'm not the most mechanically-minded. We live in Denver, but drive up to the high country year-round for getaways. Would the next gen Tundra operate better at altitude that the current 5.7?

 

Well that isn’t encouraging. The last Tacoma I drove for any length of time had the 4.0L V6 and 5 speed auto. It wasn’t bad, but I also wasn’t doing long highway drives in it either.

 

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. When someone buys a vehicle that has 150k miles on it, they are a lot more worried about "is this going to last me XYZ amount of time?" than the person buying a brand new vehicle with a warranty that is basically guaranteed to last through the warranty with no major issues out of pocket. If you're buying a new vehicle, long term reliability is a moot point because you have a warranty anyway... and hell, even those "awful" Fords typically make it out of warranty without any major issues. Like most new cars do.

I suppose I should have been more specific and said "long term" reliability.

 

Toyota does do incentives. I'm not talking about MSRP. My Tundra was 14% below MSRP that was already considerably less than the MSRP of the roughly equivalent F150. It sounds like you haven't negotiated for a truck maybe since 2007.

 

These again, are inconsistent statements, which are common amongst people that suffer from cognitive dissonance. You can try and move the goal posts all you’d like, but you’d be better off coming to the difficult realization that you are the one with the condition here.