2022 Tundra

People buy turbo diesels all the time with well over 150K on the turbocharger.

Time will tell if resale values for the 2022 track with typical Toyota resale. If the truck turns out to be an unreliable maintenance nightmare, then resale will suck.

However, you guys are deluding yourselves if you think the 2007-2021 trucks are going to be more valuable if the 2022 does turn out to be trouble free while delivering way more power and better fuel economy. Gas prices are on the rise, and 3 years from now if the 2022 is reliable, powerful, full of tech, and gets over 22 MPG or better it will murder resale on 2007-2021 trucks. No one will pay more for the less powerful V8 that sucks down $4/gallon fuel while also being slower, and less refined.

Sorry but that is just how it is.

 

People will definitely buy vehicles with 150k on the turbo. Especially if it says Toyota on the front.

I was gonna say this but I figured he'd just come back with "but diesels have lower EGTs so the turbos last longer"

 

EGT’s aren’t necessarily going to be lower for a diesel. A properly designed and tuned gas turbo engine can still maintain EGT’s well within the material capability of the turbine and other turbo parts.

Toyota to their credit is stacking the deck in their favor by using an air to liquid charge air cooler on the V35A-FTS. They’re clearly getting good manifold air density from cooler charge air as evidenced by how much torque they’re making at peak power at a relatively low RPM of 5200. That means more torque but it also means the risk of excessive exhaust gas temps are lower, and the risk of detonation or knock will be lower.

 

I predict the 3rd gens vs 4th gens on here will be like the 2nd vs 3rd Gen tacos over on TW

 

New Taco is a dog. I don’t see the TTV6 in Taco Grande having power issues like in the Taco.

 

Should be doable, TNGA-F is scalable galore. Toyota can use the longer wheelbase Tundra frame for an XL version. Sequoia XL will need body changes from the B-pillar back but doable. They spent $400 million to retool San Antonio for only Tundra/Sequoia production, moved the 100k unit per year Tacoma production at San Antonio to the Mexico plants.

Here's some stats for jumbo SUV sales and the Sequoia production shift from Indiana to San Antonio. Toyota to shuffle San Antonio production - Sequoia in, Tacoma out; no new jobs expected (expressnews.com)

We'll see how it pans out with TNGA-F. This new BOF lineup is a complete total change for the Toyota BOF lineup from the frame up.

 

Can't read that story without logging in.

 

2013 IS the best year! Humor is everywhere!

 

Actually, peak torque ends at about 3,200 rpm. Peak hp is at about 5,200, which is about 1000 rpm's lower than Ford's. So maybe the liquid air intercooler is allowing them to get about equal hp/tq without cranking the engine as fast ???

 

I would say 23's. The big 3 have the size to change things fast and will do it.

 

Still works for me.

Toyota shifting Tacoma production to Mexico as it invests $13B US (cnbc.com)

That gives some info. The base thing is Toyota wants more jumbo SUV sales where the domestics dominate. You can sort through this site 2021 US Large SUV Sales Figures By Model | GCBC (goodcarbadcar.net)
and view the Sequoia sells less than the Armada.

Toyota wants a larger share and seems to me they built a great product with this 2019 Sequoia base SR5. Spice it up a bit, market it better. I'll be in the market in five years or so if they get it right.

 

Very possible. If the Tundra makes 409hp @5200 RPM the turbo, aftercooler, heads, and exhaust are still supporting 413lb-ft of torque production at 5200 RPM. That’s some nice manifold air density at 5200 RPM.

It’s likely that they could make more power by keeping the party going at higher RPM’s by maintaining boost, fuel etc past 5200. I suspect they’re being conservative to keep turbine/impeller speeds in the happy zone for longevity and also keeping temperatures in check. They’re hitting competitive power numbers at lower operating speeds than the competition so why not err on the side of caution past that?

The Land Cruiser 300 is making peak torque from 2000 RPM to 3600 RPM, at 479lb-ft. Elsewhere I calculated the horsepower, at 2000 RPM and under full load that is 182hp, full load at 3600 RPM is 328hp. Pretty useful power, you’d have to spin the 5.7L to near 4600 RPM to make that. Hell the poor old 4.7L and 4.6L couldn’t touch that much power at their peak!

Now slap a torque rich electric motor into the 10 speed where the torque converter used to live, and you have a truck that will pull hills in undulating terrain with very little gear hunting even with a trailer on.

 

6 foot bed only available in Double Cab SR5 or Extended Cab SR.
https://www.toyota.com/configurator...l/7170/exteriorcolor/0040/interiorcolor/FC14/

 

Now, that looks sweet.

 

I need to see a DShK mounted in the bed….

 

Maybe.

Depends on what Toyota actually does. I think we know pretty well what the base model engine and transmission will look like, it’s going to be close to the Land Cruiser 300. Not bad, definitely a solid offering for a base model engine. The big players in the segment aren’t worried about that and don’t really need to change anything to keep up, or market against. Power gains are easy enough within 30-40hp with turbocharged engines so Ford will easily match whatever they need to with tuning and a few other tweaks. GM and Stelantis or whatever they’re called won’t be able to easily do that with mostly NA engines. Nissan won’t either. So the most flexible competitor is Ford where internal combustion engine output is concerned.

On the other hand, if Toyota’s optional power train at release is going to “blow us away” or however that was phrased, Toyota may bring something that will be tough to match. The key, I think will be in the transmission and frame/body. If Toyota designed the transmission with two different bell housings. Imagine the base truck with the V35A-FTS and 10 speed combo just has spare room in the transmission tunnel and frame cross members. Now imagine the optional hybrid power train with a big ass electric motor living in a longer bell housing where the base model has a torque converter. Think of something with twice the size and power of the Ford Powerboost. That kind of retooling after the fact would be horrendously expensive for anyone to do, not to mention the R&D of developing a larger electric motor after the fact to play nice with the transmission and traction control, torque management etc. Probably not going to happen until it’s redesign time because that level of change is not a minor refresh.

We will have to see what Toyota does.

 

I hope non TRD looks somewhat like this.

 

Still needs more DShK.

 

So your big concerns are looks and what it will be worth to me in 25 years when I'm 88?

 

If a "horrible, awful, POS" FORD turbo can last 150,000 to 300,000 miles and not even cost that much to replace then sign me up for a "horrible, awful, POS" Toyota turbo!!

 

It’s not the power I’m poking fun at, it’s the people with 3rd gens saying the new tundra looks terrible and There’s gonna be 3rd vs 4th Gen arguments just like over on TW

 

Also TRD off road as well that I wish they would’ve offered back in 2015 with the 2nd gens.

 

One can only hope it's that entertaining. But this time I get to be the troll vs. the trolled, unless I get a new Tundra.

 

Will the Hybrid be design to push more power or to get better MPG?

Sounds like there is already a delay and now the target date is January. That's according to the car guy at tacoworld.

 

Eh, for the BOF truck lines Toyota will bust out a completely new frame (which has been a major rusting problem for 30 years), completely new engines, completely new truck bodies.

I wonder if they will retain the ridiculous 10mm Allen front diff drain/fill plugs. I absolutely hate them, had nothing but problems with them since 1997. Even the LC200 has the ridiculous 10mm Allen front diff drain/fill plugs.

Lexus, they have the same front diff but a 14mm 6-pt hex drain/fill. Maybe the bean counters at Toyota can see their way clear to bring a $2 part from the Lexus to Toyota 4WD's.

 

Sooo....
Been getting confused on terminology here last several dozen pages. Keep hearing "3rd Gen" and "4th Gen" getting thrown around.
Aren't the Tundras only on 2nd Gen right now? Released in 2007? Wouldn't the facelift generally just make it a 2.5Gen at most?
Seems like the '22 MY Tundra is the 3rd Gen???
I have also seen others mention this...and refer to a 2019 Tundra as a 2nd Gen or 2.5 Gen...(which seems correct to me)
On other vehicle forums I have usually seen facelifts, engine revisions and transmission/trim changes referred to as "half" x.5 Gens...

 

A guy on the Ford site has a 458k 2.7 ecoboost. I’m not worried about Toyota’s.

 

Yeah just plan to stay on top of oil changes. If Toyota says it’s good for 10K miles ignore that stupid bullshit and change it at 5K. Put in a good full synthetic that resists coking. Clean oil with additives left over helps keep turbos alive.

 

You’re not wrong. Still on Gen 2. Sheet metal and interior trim do not a new Gen truck make. Same mechanicals and same frame = same Gen.