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2022 Tundra

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by 0.S.T., Apr 6, 2020.

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Who has actually used the front tow hooks?

  1. Never

    204 vote(s)
    52.6%
  2. 1-5 times

    111 vote(s)
    28.6%
  3. More than 5 times

    45 vote(s)
    11.6%
  4. Almost daily

    7 vote(s)
    1.8%
  5. I'm an off-roader and definitely need it.

    28 vote(s)
    7.2%
  6. I mall crawl

    17 vote(s)
    4.4%
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  1. Jun 8, 2021 at 12:08 PM
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    Coal Dragger

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    I wanted a faster vehicle so I also bought a Chevy SS... because 4 door sedans with big V8’s are hilarious.
    I kind of hope not.

    That is a lot of unsprung weight to manage from a ride and handling perspective.
     
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    I wanted a faster vehicle so I also bought a Chevy SS... because 4 door sedans with big V8’s are hilarious.
    Agreed.

    As long as it’s taken Toyota to develop this new truck, and as conservative and inflexible as they seem to be as an organization I suspect the current competition is more than they bargained for.

    That leaves their marketing guys and other execs in the position of maintaining interest and talking up the product. It’s their job to say things like we are reading about.

    They can’t come out and say:

    “Yeah the 2022 Tundra is going to be mid pack on everything, really nothing new or noteworthy because Ford beat us to market with all of it. Hey at least our build quality is good!”

    I mean they could do that, but they’d be fired immediately for doing it.
     
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    I just don't see toyota doing anything that will blow us away. They're far too conservative for that. They know their claim to fame is reliability and any cutting edge tech is going to hurt that. It's either a simple hybrid that puts out an extra 75 or so hp to best the ford or a PHEV. Neither of which are going to blow anything away.

    Blowing us away is a PHEV with a solid state battery that'll do 100 miles or more on battery only or a ducted fuel injection diesel that has no def or dpf to meet emissions. Either one of those would be a world beater. But at this point from the information we have my hopes are set low. Give me good looking truck, 6 or 6.5' bed on a crewmax, comfortable seats, and is nothing like the turd tacoma powertrain while driving and I'll be happy.
     
  4. Jun 8, 2021 at 12:26 PM
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    That would work for me.

    "So we're not going to beat Ford and Ram in whizz bang features. However, we have added a 10spd transmission and adapted one of our proven hybrid drivelines. We've also added 500lbs to the payload. There have been some tech updates but we have decided to spend our focus on bringing the consumer the most important thing; reliability."
     
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  5. Jun 8, 2021 at 12:32 PM
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    I wanted a faster vehicle so I also bought a Chevy SS... because 4 door sedans with big V8’s are hilarious.
    Sure that would work for a lot of guys in this forum, because the vast majority of you bought an outdated truck precisely because all the bugs were worked out.

    Unfortunately for Toyota that has not proven to be a successful strategy in growing the Tundra in market share of the very very lucrative North American market for 1/2 ton pickup trucks. Clearly based on sales numbers for every one dude who values reliability above all else in a truck and buys a Tundra, there are like 12 other dudes who value other things more and buy accordingly.
     
  6. Jun 8, 2021 at 12:41 PM
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  7. Jun 8, 2021 at 12:42 PM
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    Seems to me that providing and proving years of reliability / functionality could be the exact long term strategy that Toyota is employing to gain customers vs. short-term, shiny new objects with low reliability from the big 3?...seems to have worked well for the Camry.
     
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    The bad part about a hybrid - for ME - is the concern over fuel going bad before I use it. My daily is only 6 miles each way. Major supply stores for home projects are only a couple miles further. Currently, I can go almost a month between refueling with the 38 gal tank if I don't make a long distance run somewhere on the weekends. If I run on elec. alone for those local trips, I'm gonna have nothing but sludge in the tank for that occasional camping/road trip.
     
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    I wanted a faster vehicle so I also bought a Chevy SS... because 4 door sedans with big V8’s are hilarious.
    I keep reading about these claims of "low reliability" in regards to domestic vehicles, yet strangely virtually never see any vehicles of any description broken down on the side of the road anymore aside from cars or trucks that have had a run in with large wildlife. Later today I will go for a ride in a domestic large SUV that will probably have between 250K-400K on the odometer and it's still running. The 3rd party contractor the RR I work for uses to transport train crews to the train uses nothing but GM Suburban variants and Ford Expeditions, they don't take care of them very well, the drivers idle them all day when not moving, drive them on rough ass RR right of way, etc. They still work.

    As for the Camry, who cares about the Camry? Who cares in this country about midsize family sedans? Consumers sure don't judging by sales numbers. The truck and SUV market is where the money is at, and for the past 10 years Toyota hasn't been competitive in a fair chunk of that market.
     
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    Wow. I didn't mean to piss you off - sorry. I think you can easily find many examples of reliable vehicles in every brand and model, but in general, many people buy a Toyota for the superior reliability. The Camry comment was only meant as an example of Toyota's success in sales over the years following a long-term strategy, albeit sedan sales aren't good right now vs. SUVs or Trucks...but I'm sure some people do care about the Camry and mid-sized sedans even if you don't.
    Best.
     
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    To keep it very short - statistics. I try not to go by anecdotes because they're just that; anyone can come up with a story that essentially goes "Well, I used to have this or that truck and it sucked, and therefore Tundra." LOL Granted, that's kind of my story, BUT it's backed up by statistics. Conversely, when someone has/has had bad experiences with their make, and therefore sets out to search for the most reliable of a certain subset, I don't want anecdotes; I want statistics, and statistically, Tundras are the most reliable 1/2 ton trucks.

    Have they had issues? You bet. Even then, based on the Toyotas we've owned, and on the non-Toyota vehicles we've owned, warranty and customer support have been FAR better with Toyota than with Ford, GM, Ram, etc. I'd rather have a mildly improved truck with fantastic support than 'the best' in terms of towing/power/etc., but with somewhat of a crapshoot in terms of warranty and customer support.
     
  13. Jun 8, 2021 at 1:29 PM
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    Non issue. I stored boats all winter full of fuel and never had an issue in the Spring. Most of the time a little stabilizer was pit in but have seen some without stabilizer with no issue.
     
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    I use some stabilizer for the lawnmower gas and haven't had problems there, so you're probably right. I don't care that much about my lawn mower (if it doesn't run, I get out of cutting the grass! lol ), but I do have a little more concern for my Tundra though. :)
     
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    I wanted a faster vehicle so I also bought a Chevy SS... because 4 door sedans with big V8’s are hilarious.
    Not upset at all.
     
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    A Prime model would be a step in the right direction but I don’t think it’s good enough. When shopping for the daughters Prius, we looked at the Prime and it just did not impress me. The extra cost and weight for a mere 25 miles of EV driving was pitiful. I’m sure that 25 is the best under perfect conditions so realistically probable much lower. Plus it had to be plugged in every night. Not impressed
     
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    My dirt bike sits all winter with fuel in the tank. I clean the carb and ride in the spring. Your truck wont care about month old fuel.
     
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    Toyota doesn't have any interest in trying to dominate the truck market and it wouldn't be worth it for them because too many guys will only buy "American trucks" even though they're actually less American than Tundras and, yes, statistically less reliable than Tundras.
     
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    I wanted a faster vehicle so I also bought a Chevy SS... because 4 door sedans with big V8’s are hilarious.
    Sure, I’ve met a lot of guys like that.

    I am also not ignoring reliability and durability as a viable feature to drive sales. Perhaps my prior posts don’t reflect that as well as they should. I’m not denigrating those who buy a vehicle with their number 1 priority being reliability, and durability.

    However I am pointing out, and making the argument that for many consumers in fact most of them, that other priorities are higher in their purchase decision. If Toyota wants to capture those buyers AND retain current owners they would be well served to build a Tundra that is not only reliable but high in features and class leading abilities.

    Given the amount of time they’ve had to accomplish that I hope they do both. Unfortunately based on recent releases and the direction Toyota appears to be heading I’m not optimistic about getting both.
     
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    When the paint fell off my 80's 4x4 Toyota painted it! If they screw up they fix it generally. I have had vehicles with known problems to the dealer and they pretend they don't know about. Dangerous in some cases as was ours.
    Fords thick film ignition modules were crap and they ignored it till people died and there was a class action suit.
     
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    The RAV4 prime is an impressive vehicle. It is fairly quick and the battery only range is enough for the majority of people to commute or run errands. Maybe they are going to make a tundra prime. I could see a tundra prime being a world beater if it was fast and allowed you to commute and run errands using no gas.
     
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    Hey Cali- Not to be a newbie here... Yet why don’t you read “Other opinions” instead of voicing yours sometime. Even new on the job rookies have provided something I can learn. It’s a good way to not be a person who comes off as a know it all, Just a helpful suggestion.
     
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    I wanted a faster vehicle so I also bought a Chevy SS... because 4 door sedans with big V8’s are hilarious.
    Maybe. If the batteries cut significantly into payload and turn it into a big car that will be a downer though.

    My commute is 24 miles one way at highway speeds, so a partial electric wouldn’t work for me unless the battery is fairly substantial. For others it would be just fine to have a 25 mile battery only range.
     
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    I wanted a faster vehicle so I also bought a Chevy SS... because 4 door sedans with big V8’s are hilarious.
    Besides this is an automotive forum. So unless you’re an industry professional, an automotive engineer (mechanical, electrical, metallurgy etc.), a pro diver, or a large fleet manager; your opinion as a vehicle operator with a drivers license and the ability to pay “x” amount of $$$ for a vehicle is just as valid as anyone else’s.

    I guess we could weight opinions based on how many years you’ve had a drivers license...
     
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    You’ll just have to take the long way to work once every week or 2. Isn’t that recommended now so the engine and trans reach operating temp and burn off any condensation? Don’t know if it’s old tech but I remember lots of short trips were bad for vehicles.
     
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    You can use non-ethanol fuel. That will last a long longer than ethanol blended fuel and you can treat it anyway for extra protection.
     
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