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2022 Tundra

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by 0.S.T., Apr 6, 2020.

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Who has actually used the front tow hooks?

  1. Never

    204 vote(s)
    52.6%
  2. 1-5 times

    111 vote(s)
    28.6%
  3. More than 5 times

    45 vote(s)
    11.6%
  4. Almost daily

    7 vote(s)
    1.8%
  5. I'm an off-roader and definitely need it.

    28 vote(s)
    7.2%
  6. I mall crawl

    17 vote(s)
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  1. Apr 8, 2021 at 9:09 AM
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    Ruggybuggy

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    We pay over $4.00/US gal here in Canada and it's still cheaper to own a Tundra. You also have to consider the trade in value.

    I actually don't consider the Tundra mpg that bad. Drive conservatively , stock tire size and no lift and see 20-21mpg hwy.
     
  2. Apr 8, 2021 at 9:30 AM
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    I've had the chance to drive F150's at work quite a bit, including 5.0's, 1st gen 3.5, 2nd gen 3.5, and a 2.7 and I don't see a huge difference in fuel efficiency in any of them. It's a big blocky truck, it's hard to see fuel efficiency gains. You know where I did see huge gains - diesels. 8000 lb truck getting 10 l/100km on the highway or better doing 110 km/h for an hour or so, just don't see that in gas engines.

    One thing I did yesterday since I was bored was take a hard look at TFL's videos of the various F150 engines for fuel efficiency. Flat unloaded driving there was a huge variance between the 5.0, 3.5, and 3.5 hybrid. Flat towing and uphill towing though I was blown away, they're all at similar numbers - flat was around 8-8.5 MPG, uphill was at 3.5 MPG (Tundra was only barely worse than those). They do of course do timing on the way up, but all those engines easily reach the speed limit so it's a moot point.

    The one spot where there is a difference is that 0-10 MPH, and the hybrid is king at that, it even keeps up with the TRX for that short time.

    What I gained from that is if you're towing the next gen Tundra likely only will help out if you need the extra payload or towing capabilities, it won't do a lick for towing fuel efficiency. If that's what you're worried about than the half ton diesels are the trucks for you (Ford PS and GM Duramax look like very good engines to me, the Ford PS drives very nice I can say). Driving around the city/town a bunch and do a lot of stop go then wait for the Tundra Hybrid, I'm willing to bet it takes a good jump on the Ford hybrid. Lots of highway driving and MPG matters, well none of the trucks do great and none do crap, be gentle and refrain from going faster than you have to and even the current Tundra does ok.
     
  3. Apr 8, 2021 at 10:22 AM
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    True. There is only so much energy in a gallon of gas. The great equalizer. The ttv6 will be great for the mall crawler or as a daily commuter. Just not what I bought a truck to do.
     
  4. Apr 8, 2021 at 10:46 AM
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    So the TTV6 having more HP / TQ, having hundreds more ft lbs of torque thousands of RPM earlier, more torque over a much more broad and flat range, and at comparable MPG is only for mall crawling and daily driving?

    lol, please explain what you are doing with your truck that would not benefit from that.
     
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  5. Apr 8, 2021 at 10:57 AM
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    I don't know what you guys tow but I barely see a difference in MPG towing about 4500lbs. The same old shitty 12mpg as always. My supercharged tundra tows better and gets better MPG than the non supercharged tundra.
     
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  6. Apr 8, 2021 at 12:13 PM
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    LOL! Do you dispute there is only so much energy in a gallon of gas? Do you think the battery backup that provides the kick to add HP has unlimited power? Please let me know how that works.
     
  7. Apr 8, 2021 at 12:21 PM
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    Fuel delete mod Cup holder upgrade
    I'm in the TTV6 camp is likely but "iForce Max" trademark has me doubting.
     
  8. Apr 8, 2021 at 12:24 PM
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    From watching videos and knowing what the V8 is like - there isn't a need for more power. What more do I need it to do, pull a house? We're at the point of diminishing returns. Is the new engine with those traits better, yes. Is it worth it financially to trade in the 5.7, no I don't think so. It would be the child inside me that would buy one since it would be fun as hell to have more power but as TFL has shown the current engine pulls 9k lbs up at the speed limit so there's nothing really to gain, plus V8's do engine braking much better. You watch the videos and the hybrid, the TT 3.5, and the 5.0 all do the same time and MPG - so how is the extra HP and torque being useful?

    Give me both trucks at equal finances then of course I take the more powerful new engine, but that's not the case. Right now I'm +$10k on the 2016, trade it in and I'm at -$10k at best. The new engine with those specs isn't worth ~$20k.
     
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  9. Apr 8, 2021 at 12:25 PM
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    Classic redirection, lol. I didn’t say any of that.

    How about you give any logical explanation to your claim as to why the TTV6 is more suited for mall crawlers and daily drivers before you get all up in your feels anymore and start throwing around questions without justifying your position.
     
  10. Apr 8, 2021 at 12:26 PM
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    The hybrid option increases the efficiency of the gas motor in city driving. The reason for an increase in the overall mpg. For towing a hybrid will do very little. Topgear did a test running a Prius around a race track at full throttle then did the same with a BMW M5. The BMW got better mpg.
     
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  11. Apr 8, 2021 at 1:29 PM
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    Not all engines turn the potential energy from a gallon of gas into the same amount of kinetic energy.

    I may be wrong but I believe I read that in most engines lose up to 70% of the potential energy due to heat, emissions, etc. (toyotas Dynamic force engines have 40%+ thermal efficiency)

    The TTV6 V35A is a dynamic force engine with 37% thermal efficiency.


    The 3UR-FE, is without a doubt a great engine, but it's based on tech from 2003-2004.


    You could argue this forever with #SaveTheV8s.... but when it comes to the science, the V35A is a better engine in practically every measurement.

    The fact that the engine is designed under Lexus's strict reliability standards means it should be just as reliable if not more reliable.


    The fact that the engine can make 400+ ft lbs at 1600 RPM, I bet it not only tows better but consumes less gas while doing so. And if you know about how Toyota tunes their Turbo engines....They tune them to remain at Stoic AFR even at full boost as long as heat is under control.

    The 8ARFTS turbo Lexus engine runs 14.6 AFR at full boost until after 4500 RPM. This concept 10, 15 years ago would of been blasphemy and would leave many engines in pieces. Why? The tech didn't exist at that time to safely do it.


    The 3UR-FE is a GREAT engine. But it's time to hang up the gloves and retire gracefully.

    Anyways I'm just excited. I have two tundras. Definitely still keeping one of my 5.7s.
     
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  12. Apr 8, 2021 at 1:44 PM
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    With all this how does the Lexus TTV6 compare to the 3.5 Ecoboost (sounds like torque curve is very similar)?

    I ask because it has been shown in TFL videos that the NA 5.0 (at high altitude also), 3.5 EB, and 3.5 hybrid are all equal when towing in terms of fuel mileage and close enough to be statistically equal in time up the mountain towing since all reach the speed limit easily. I'm not arguing if it's a better engine, because it is, it's just the differences are so tiny they have no effect on towing. The 2 spots difference shows up is unloaded driving fuel mileage and drag races. This is where it shows doing 'truck' stuff (towing, hauling) the TTV6 is not much of an improvement but for mall crawling it is absolutely an improvement.

    With the high altitude caveat I'd love to see someone use a coastal mountain road to try to negate the thin air disadvantage the NA V8 has to truly see what the best engine type is for towing.
     
  13. Apr 8, 2021 at 2:55 PM
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    From the torque curve it's a bit like a mild raptor 3.5, as it makes more than the average 3.5EB.

    But, that's on premium. I am certain it will use regular and will probably make a bit less than the quoted Lexus specs. Toyota might say it has 550ft lbs of torque as a hybrid, because they alway do some crazy combined torque calculation with the electric motors that makes no sense. That's how the LC500H has such 369 ft lbs from a v6....because it actually doesn't.


    I think the truck as a whole package needs to be evaluated. How many miles of the truck is towing up hills like the rocky mountains of Colorado where they did testing onthe tacoma vs ranger for example.

    If your full time job is towing inthe Rockies the truck might not be a big improvement.

    But if you tow, drive, camp, mall crawl, drive to grab a bite to eat, pick up your kids from school, etc... then I'm sure this new tundra will be much much better. That's what I'm excited for. Since I don't see myself towing through Colorado any time soon. And if it tows comparably to the V8 but improves everywhere else, what's there to complain about.


    And let me tell you I towed through the mountains in my tacoma and it was God awful and got 8mpg screaming at 5000 rpm for miles.
     
  14. Apr 8, 2021 at 3:09 PM
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    Factor in repairs, maintenance and value (true delta cost of ownership) over 10 years then you will have a clearer picture.
     
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    It will be interesting to see what kind of gearing and acceleration the truck will have.
     
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    thats a strange idea when there are cars with 16 cylinders and four turbos
     
  20. Apr 8, 2021 at 5:55 PM
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    I don't think it's been final though. But I can see it going there.

    Ford uses a 3.5L twin turbo on a few of their cars also...
     
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    The Lexus LS500 is 4900 lbs as well. So if the Tundra goes on a slight diet...could be a winner.

    The tuning capabilities are going to be awesome.
     
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  23. Apr 8, 2021 at 6:07 PM
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    For reference, my RCSB 4X4 is right around 5280 lbs....
     
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    I think this is one of the best simple, reasonable responses to all of the commotion about losing the V8 that I've read on this forum. Assuming the engineers overdesign the TTV6 setup like history generally shows, where is the disadvantage apart from the exhaust note? Like you said, if your Tundra is your daily that you rely on for everything vehicle related in life: commuting to and from work, shuttling the kids around, go on vacations, AND towing 40 bags of quikrete across town for that fence you've been meaning to build...what's not to like if the towing ends up being essentially equal with some gains for all that time not under load? Obviously this isn't the use case for everyone, but it sure seems to be the use case for a vast majority of Tundras I see in and around town.

    ICE efficiencies are still on a pretty constant upward trend. It's only natural that we will be able to do more (or just as much) with less displacement over time and I think we should welcome this. With the latest tech out there paired with the company that built it's trucks sales almost exclusively on reliability and dependability is there a better company out there to tackle this challenge? They aren't perfect, but I don't have much confidence in anyone else to do this well.
     
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    Bet that is one sporty drive with a huffer on it.
     
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    I was kinda hoping they would have done a twin turbo V-8 like Audi. I'm considering another corvette for retirement, but I don't want to deal with the comfort (or lack there of), and you can have a lot of fun in a S series Audi, or high end A series (A8 has a twin t V8 450 hp). RS/S models are rather fun.
     
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    After how disappointing the 3.5L was in the Tacoma, i hope Toyota learned it's lesson. Sure a twin turbo is great but it has taken many years for Ford to work all the bugs out. The starting baseline for reliability may be better than Ford, but there will still be major issues identified after launch. Toyota finally addressed the shifting issues in the 2.5gen tacoma after 4+ years. You all may call them 3rd gens, but for the amount of carry-over components they are more like a 2nd gen 2.0. However you want to justify a $37k Tacoma i paid $26K for the same parts is on you.
     
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    I’m excited. I’ll probably be looking hard by 2025.
     
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