2022 Tundra

I hope your right about product and frame.

 

What does an EcoBoost have to do with 2022 Tundra reliability? Oh right, nothing. Have a problem with turbos, check out the countless other vehicles out there with them, specifically diesels, and with proper cooling and maintenance they'll last a very long time. Have a problem with hybrid batteries, check out other Toyota products - replacement after 10-15 years, so I guess in 2035 you'll have a problem with a 2022 Tundra.

Sure a NA V8 is likely to last longer than a TTV6, but that bar is so ridiculously high that only a very select few ever reach the point of failure. Using Ford as the benchmark is very low. They can't even make the easily reliable, as you state, V8. Check out the recent problems with the 5.0 or the 7.3. Just because Ford makes a shitty turbo engine does not mean turbo engines are shitty.

The only thing a NA V8 definitively has over a TTV6 that will affect everyone is the V8 sound is much, much better.

 

You did not see a new uncovered next gen Tundra on a flatbed. Don't have to lie Craig.

 

Thanks god someone got it!

 

ya, toyota isn't going to have all the test mules camo like crazy and then just haul around a production truck on a flat bed, lol.

 

Try to imagine that some people don't buy trucks for the same reason that you do. No one, and I mean no one with half an ounce of understanding that tows or hauls anything with a lot of weight on a regular basis, prefers a lighter vehicle with smaller displacement to get that job done reliably. The problem isn't the turbos, the problem is what you're asking them to do in a V6 fullsize. High RPMs all the time wears out everything.

My wife has a Q5 that's great with two people and a little luggage in it. I wouldn't drive that thing in 2300-3500 RPM range for 12 hours at a time. It's useful life will be cut in half. That is what what you'd be doing towing a 7,000 lbs travel trailer 10-12 hours a day with a V6 gasser (turbos or not). That engine isn't going to make it very long. Toyota engineers may be better than Ford, but they're not that much better.

Toyota doesn't have to continue making a full size truck for me or guys like me, but making them for guys like me is a large part of the reason that they sell the 120k that they do annually. Go ahead and turn the Tundra into the "Camry of the fullsize market". If it works for you and Toyota that is great. I just won't buy one.
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Well Fwiw I just found a YouTube video talking about Toyota’s new all electric EV being released at the Shanghai auto show in April. It also stated they had a big Toyota announcement coming this week and thought the EV was the news but it wasn’t. Maybe it’s coming....

 

Toyota / Lexus is ranked as the most reliable turbo and hybrid manufacturer already. They know how to make reliable vehicles, and stake their company reputation on it.

The TTV6 vs NA V8 comparison is a no contest.

The TTV6 runs at lower RPM’s with a higher gear than V8’s. This absolutely means lower stress / heat / wear / etc. Toyota can, will, and has been capitalizing on this.

Put up a NA V8 with comparable numbers to the TTV6’s and those claims of comparable fuel economy would totally go out the window.

Another thing to consider is by going to their new global shared frame, having greater carryover with engine configurations will be an big cost savings. For all the grief the EcoBoost motors get (deserved and undeserved), the fact they can stuff the 3.5TT in the Taurus / Flex / Explorer / F150 / Expedition / Lincoln equivalents / etc is some damn fine efficiency in engineering. Toyota would be silly not to adopt the same strategy for comparable Avalon / next gen 4 Runner / Tundra / Sequoia / Land Cruiser / Lexus equivalents / etc.

 

This is a totally honest question because I am debating an F150 or Tundra. Do you have a source to back up the claim that the ecoboost wears out prematurely? From my limited research most people seem to love the ecoboost.

The guys here seem to love their ecoboosts. (https://www.thehulltruth.com/trucks-trailers/1057101-ford-3-5-ecoboost-longevity.html)

 

Isn’t that the point of TTv6’s? They make all the power down low so they aren’t high revving when towing vs a v8 where the powerband is in the higher rpm range.

 

The problem is your just wrong about turbo v6 motors. They do more work at lower rpm. I haul shit all the time and am constantly at my gvwr on my tundra and would trade it in tomorrow if the came out with a comparable truck with a turbo v6 if toyota does it right.
Your thinking about a turbos all wrong. All a turbo does is increase how much air you can put in your motor. A really oversimplified way of thinking about it is a 3l turbo v6 displaces 3 liters of air at 0lbs of boost, at 15lbs of boost it displaces 6.0 of air, so when your under load in boost you have a 6l motor when your cruising at 55 you have a 3l motor. It’s the best of both worlds if it’s done right, they just don’t sound good in a truck though.

 

don’t listen to him, an ecoboost is the best motor that come in an f150. Both it and they 5.0 have issues due to fords short engineering cycles. The only reason to to get a 5.0 is for the sound and the fact that its simpler to work on if you plan on doing repairs yourself.

 

I had to go back and read my post and realize that I didn't connect the dots correctly.

I'll try to clear it up. I understand quite well how Turbos work and where the power is versus NA engines. In relatively small displacement engines, something has to turn really fast ( we all agree these are RPMS). If it is not the pistons in the cylinders, then the turbines forcing air into the engines are turning really fast. We should all be able to agree that revolutions are directly proportional to increased wear. One of these things, pistons firing in cylinders and/or turbines forcing in air, has to run at very high RPMs to move heavy objects under load.

To deny that increased RPMs are directly related to increased wear is denying simple physics and mechanics. Now I suppose you could say, "hey it's just the turbos that wear quicker in a Turbo6, not the actual engine."

Ask anyone who has replaced their turbos in their tow vehicle how they feel about that.

 

A no contest? Taurus, Flex, Flex Explorer...Avalons? How many people are moving large Travel Trailers across country with those vehicles? Go check the RV forums and see how many people love the improved performance from their V6 gasser, turbo or not. No one has more wreckers coming to their rescue.

 

I’ve never owned a vehicle with a turbo. I know people who have and it seemed like a common occurrence to have to replace the turbos once they got to around 100k-150k miles. What would be the expected lifespan of a well maintained turbo that is driven reasonably?

 

Yeah, better listen to the guy that wrote this.

 

The problem isn't the 3.5 (or 2.7 if it fits you better) it's that it's a Ford. Sure you could be in the 50-70% that have nothing wrong, or you could be in the 5% that the truck is in the shop as much as it's on the road in the first 6 months.

Check out youtube for ecoboost issues. Some are from the early gens which were worse reliability than the 5.0, but that last couple are equal in reliability to the 5.0. Both trail behind the 5.7 for reliability.

The F150 is a solid grocery getter, but it's combination of lightweight and soft suspension don't fare well in off roading or hauling.

 

Now are the 3.5s equal to the 5.0s because the 3.5s got better or the 5.0s got worse? Ford made a few changes to the 5.0 in 2018 that negatively impacted its reliability.

 

Bit of both. But it's the perfect comparison of turbo versus NA - same manufacturer yet both have similar reliability. That's why I have confidence in Toyota with a TTV6, even if it's not as reliable, if it's anywhere close to the 4.6 or 5.7 it'll be an engine I have no problem having in my vehicle.

 

My buddies eco boost has been in the shop 3x since he hit 100k miles. 2x for issues with the turbo and another time for an issue with the fuel system.

 

Many people (like me) just don't want a TTV6 in a truck. Plain and Simple. I'll keep my Tundra as long as I can drive it and need it, so it doesn't really matter, but if I was in the market for a new truck, and could choose/order, it would be the v8 every day all day. Toyota is Toyota, and whatever they build will likely be right, but is not even an option for me unless it was a street/sport truck. 4WD, Towing, Hauling, working, TRUCK stuff? for me it has to be a v8, I don't care what the spec sheet says.

Heck, the 4cyl turbo GM trucks make 'more' HP than their V8's did for years.... Great Grocery getter, go get it soccer mom.

I have the 480HP version of the Coyote V8 in my Bullitt Mustang. It is a fabulous motor. Not sure how it would translate to a truck, though I am sure the bearings and tune, etc are more suited to truck use. No replacement for displacement in the truck world.

 

On the flip side, I'm not aware of my FIL having any major issues with his 2011 EcoBoost other than a number of recalls and he tows a small trailer to the mountains several times a year.

 

Why is it dragging its ass? What's in the bed 1200 pounds of sand?

 

So why not a 4L FI V8? Wouldn't it make more torque at low RPM than an engine with 2 less cylinders and still get better fuel economy than a 5.7? Oh and it'd sound good too.

Just sayin

 

When I browse these threads similar to "what options do you want on 2022 Tundra" I don't recall seeing anyone ask for a long bed crew max option. Even for manufacturers that already offer it, like Ford, its rare to see a crew max long bed. I am glad to see them expand their options though, always a good thing. I just hope they hit some of the common areas that us long time Tundra owners have been wishing for.

 

I assume you mean standard bed. Lots of folks have asked for one and, from the spy shots, it looks like Toyota listened.

 

Yep the crewmax with the long bed appears to be just around the corner. You will need an oversized garage to fit the beast

 

I wonder if anyone actually buys one... Its like the DC 8’ yikes