What do you want in 2022 Tundra.

TT gives you better fuel economy when you're just cruising under light load. GM and Ford know that a big NA OHV V8 still gives you the best fuel economy in a gas engine when hauling or towing.

 

Exactly I cannot describe it better, guys this is the future nothing will surpass hybrid/electric vehicles not in my generation I hope lol. I mean look at the mach e for example it's crazy what electric vehicles are becoming..

 

For me, it's reliability.

Yes, I WANT more HP/TQ. I mean, who wouldn't? BUT I also want to keep Toyota reliability. If you go back and look at the first few years of the EcoBoost - or for that matter, warranty claims on the F150's with the EcoBoost - they deal with quite a bit more warranty claims than N/A V8s and the like.

If they debut theirs and it stays reliable, I'm all for it; but not wanting to run right out and get a new one in 2022 doesn't mean I'm reluctant to embrace it. It means I'm being careful.

 

None of what you are stating in the above is considered a fact. You're stating what you want to see in the next Toyota Tundra.

EV's are not "swarming" the market right now...they make up a relatively insignificant portion of the overall automobile market.
Certain industry players & recent entrants (Tesla) have seen significant valuations for their EV ambitions, but that is more reflective of investor euphoria and is extremely disconnected from how the current and near term auto market will function.

And if you are expecting the next Tundra, or any 1/2 ton, w/ anything other than diesel to get 27 mpg....please don't hold your breath.

TT-v6, if done right by Toyota, will likely be reliable. Fuel efficiency will be a wash in high workload applications, but the torque will be there for sure...no issues from my perspective.

Hybrid tech - I just don't see Toyota taking that kind of risk with something like the Tundra. Anything that Toyota is going to put into the Tundra needs to be robust and reliable. The hybrid tech that Toyota puts into Prius is reliable...for that sort of application.

For a truck application (towing, hauling, 4x4 usage, remote driving, exposure to the elements)...I'm not so sure.

 

Lol your comparing FORD ecoboost to toyota.. ford will always have problems.. toyota will not well most of the time..why is everybody so scared about reliability from toyota with their ttv6 I understand you want to wait which is fine.. but don't make your decision on wait a couple of years to get bugs work out.. lol I have 2008 tundra about 13 years old with close to 170,000 not one issue.. I'll be more comfortable on a first year toyota than a 10 year ford..

 

Which is why they offer those large displacement gas motors in their HD trucks.

In half ton applications the fuel economy is basically the same when towing, and that’s with the TT V6 producing far more HP and torque. Put a large NA V8 gas motor with comparable power numbers up against the TTV6 and see what happens....... which is why no one offers one.

 

This is my prediction on what the tundra will have.. and yes the ev/hybrid are swarming in the market like crazy gm said fully ev by 2035.. we got atleast what 5 or 6 ev/hybrid trucks coming out in 2022. The next tundra will be in the high 20s.. like I said to beat ford it's going to be higher than 24 combine and from other sources stating that the tundra will be 30 mpg on hwy which is reasonable.. because more than likely the tundra might be smaller in the 4th gen sharing the Tacoma platform.. coefficient drag will also be a lot better for fuel efficiency.. so you think what toyota is going to come out with ttv6/hybrid and be at 22 combine yea anything is possible but from the knowledge and rumors I know which is becoming very accurate the tundra will Excel in almost all categories compared to Ford... You also have to understand when toyota comes out with a all new platform it will be on top other makes. Will it outsell the big 3 probably not because of brand loyal.. the only problem I see is heavy towing, now their are rumors stating 15,000 towing capacity which I do not see that coming true probably 13000 but towing is going to an issue with the ttv6, that will be my only concern..

 

Are you trying to claim the big 3 don't offer NA V8s in their halftons?

 

So just for knowledge let me just state the EV/hybrid TRUCKS coming to 2022 or 2023 and their is alot more suv and car also but only truck listed..
* We have the famous Cyber truck
* GMC Hummer EV SUT January 2023
* Electric ford f150 that was start production mid 2022
* Rivian R1T starting in June
* Lordstown Endurance fall of 2021
* Bollinger B2 will be available in late 2021
*. Nikola Badger tba
* Toyota tundra 2022
* Chevrolet Electric Pickup has Early as 2023
I don't know if you even own a toyota but ram the new Stellantis just remove alot of their srt team personnel.. which is not so good for hemi owners in the near future.. I just can't wrap my head around that you think the tundra can't get 27mpg combined with the ttv6 hybrid system. Look at es models of lexus getting 44mpg with their hybrid systems.. just face the fact the toyota or even ford and chevy will beat diesel's mpg. Ford is 24mpg right now in the next 5 years it will surpass the diesel MPG... Only thing that's going for diesels is towing if it wasn't for that they will be obsolete by now..

 

Everyone is trying to keep up with Tesla hype but they don't make a profit selling cars...they make their profit from selling carbon credits.

 

None of the above trucks have been produced at scale or tested in the consumer markets. What OEM's say they're going to do and what the consumer markets realistically demand/support are two different topics that don't always line up with one another. So to my earlier point - EV's DO NOT currently dominate the auto market, and nor do hybrids.

Hybrids and EV's are two different vehicle types as well, not to be used interchangeably.

The F-150 hybrid is rated perhaps rated for 24 mpg, but the real-world average is much lower (~19). The overall fleet average for the F-150 is ~16mpg, which is hardly all that different from the Tundra's average of ~14mpg. So all the advanced wizardry (and corner-cutting) that Ford has put into that vehicle ultimately offers a marginal mpg boost.

Gasoline (turbo or hybrid) will never surpass the efficiency of a diesel. If you compare apples to apples (turbo gas vs turbo diesel, hybrid gas vs hybrid diesel), the diesel will always be more efficient because of the energy density inherent to diesel.

EV's can of course get much better mpg (or rather mpg equivalent), but that is for steady-state highway cruising. I have yet to see anyone produce an electric 4x4 or truck that can get the same range as a diesel or gasoline truck while conducting comparable work (towing, hauling, 4x4 driving). A lot of companies claim to have EV designs which will surpass internal combustion trucks...none of have actually made good on their promise yet.

You're talking about what you think is going to happen...I'm talking about the current state of the auto industry.

 

Lol did I say produced no I said coming to the market and everything you said is questionable like ford f150 mpg do you have proof of real word... It literally just came out I'm just stating facts from ford but how are you getting your facts???? Lol I never said it will surpass gas engines only diesel engines. The only point of diesels is to tow and efficiency which the Ev/ hybrid will definitely take on efficiency towing is questionable.. but I'm talking about the future 2022 wasn't this whole thread about what do you want for your 2022 tundra not the current Auto industry. The future will indeed take over with ev/hybrid to cleaner energy. You have your opinions I have mine just leave it as that

 

You said large V8’s. I consider the 5.0 Ford / 5.3 Chevy on the small end. The 5.7 Toyota / Ram in the middle, and the 6.2 GM on the large end. I always wished Ram would put the 6.4 from the SRT’s (loved that motor in my Grand Cherokee SRT) into half ton, but heard that MPG was the issue.

There is a reason GM’s 6.6 / Fords new 7.3 / Rams truck 6.4 all are available in the HD trucks and not in the half tons.

 

I guess I should have just said V8s. Point being that Ford has the 5.0 (though I believe it's OHC) and 7.3, GM has the 5.3, 6.2 and 6.6 and Ram has the 5.7 and 6.4. No indication any of those (or the Nissan 5.6, for that matter) are going away any time soon. So Toyota is going to make themselves less competitive by going to only a TT V6 that will be fine for the mall crawler crowd and not so good for the guys who see halftons as a good balance between daily driveability and towing/hauling ability.

 

That's why they need to either bring in the ttv8 which would be awesome or the 5.0 from the gsf

 

Lol, how is increased performance metrics only marketable for the mall crawler crowd? How do those benefits not carry over into better balance?

But that all goes back to my original post. In half ton applications the TTV6 outperform NA V8’s in power, torque, towing, and fuel efficiency. Those benefits get even broader with added hybrid power.

 

To me towing small to medium sized trailers occasionally is a halfton application.

 

Ford also has a 6.2 standard in their F250-350. An excellent engine. Would have bought one if the truck wasn't so damn big. Would be nice to have it in an F150.

A large turbo six probably gets decent gas mileage because the turbo isn't utilized as much compared to a small six (like the Ford 2.7). Yeah, baby it and you'll get 25+ on the highway but real world most don't drive like that. This comes from one who had a Ford 1.5 Ecoboost and NEVER came close to the EPA highway rating, I think it was rated at 34 highway and I got over 31 once...not only that I had to have the engine replaced at 30k miles (under warranty fortunately).

 

It would be more like what I wouldn't want in it. I don't want an automatic transmission for one. I don't want any accessories of any kind except maybe power steering and brakes. I also don't want any traction controls, no ABS, TPMS, no parking assist. I don't even want air bags. I don't want carpet, leather or cloth in the interior. Vinyl seats and rubber floor mats are fine. I don't really even want A/C. A heater is fine. Manual roll up windows would be fine too. I just want a truck that can haul things. I don't want to worry if it will get scratched or dirty. If I want to accessorize with a stereo or nice tires and wheels, I'll buy them myself, just like I did in 1985 with my first new truck.

 

My brother's RDX is always boosting because he can't keep his foot out of it so he gets similar highway fuel economy to what I can get with the Tundra driving easy.

 

ANY forced induction will outperform it's NA counterpart. It's honestly pointless to compare them. That being said, the 5.7 if SC'd will easily outperform and outlast any modern TTV6, Toyota or otherwise. V8's are made to withstand huge amounts of power and stress. And diesels are even more sturdy by design.
Unless Toyota redesigns it's engines to match the overbuilt 2JZ or 1UZ, I don't see myself touching a TTV6 Tundra.

If you tow a lot (lets say three to four times a week), then you'll have no MPG benefits, same if you're a lead foot, FI turns anyone into a lead foot and we're not even considering the possibility of increased repair/maintenance costs... bacause DEALERS. As a people mover/camping rig it just might be all right.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, V8 plug-in hybrid is the way to go, a decent setup can tow with ease. Give it 40-50 miles electric, if thats all you drive, then you may carry a nigh empty tank. Honestly much better than a stressed engine and worth the investment.

But thats like... my opinion, man.

 

Exactly, After I thought about it I'm now going to be disappointed if it isn't an Plug In Hybrid. Today i had errands to run and stopped by to top off the tank in case we get shortages of gas because of the problems in Texas. Anyway I calculated the mileage 12.2.

If I had the plug in Hybrid I could have done it all on Electric Only.

 

Haha, nice. I wasn’t meaning any of the big 3 had that. Just that if Toyota wanted to get a jump into niche market there’d consider it. And ya, I understand they are simpler in terms of packages and options.

 

Just finished catching up on this one, lol! Y’all having a tendency to get sidetracked from OP title... interesting reading tho!

 

That all sounds reasonable and realistic to me.

 

I want the Canadian version's interior to be identical to the American version, without any scabby changes like the seat heater switch. I'd also like to have the gear shift moved to the steering column, but I realize I'm likely in the minority for that, so it is what it is.

 

I just want it to have a new everything. Nothing shared from 2007 to present Tundra models. Except for reliability of course. My first Tundra was a 2006. Second one was 2007--a completely different truck from the first get models. Current Tundra is a 2010.

 

Purely from a reliability standpoint, maybe, but I'm actually comparing first model year to first model year. I will indeed make my decision and/or wait a couple of years to get bugs worked out, because regardless of what people say on a forum, statistically, the first model year of a change is where the most issues crop up. I've been lucky enough to have never had huge reliability issues with any vehicle (not counting my 1997 Ford Taurus), but every time I've owned a first model year of a vehicle, I've had more issues than usual.

That's literally all I'm saying. I just bought my Tundra back in March of last year; and while I *could* easily afford to trade it in when the 2022's come out, I'd prefer to wait on the outside chance that there are more issues than usual. If you want to call that 'scared' knock yourself out. I call it being wise.

 

They used to, I think from 2011-2014....and people *loved* it. It was super rock solid reliable too, although gas mileage wasn't great. (But again, who buys a truck with a larger V8 for mileage? lol)

 

Well you're already hosed then; because you know they'll at least carry over buttons and such.