2022 Tundra

I honestly don’t think Toyota has any interest in HD truck segment . They sell more vehicles than any other auto manufacturer but their sales are world wide where as the big 3 are almost all in America .

 

Yeah, just had a little hope they would do a 1/2 ton HD option like the Titan. I’m sure it didn’t help that it wasn’t a big hit for Nissan.

 

And the 4Runner...

 

The 4 runner sales are pretty low in America too comparatively speaking .

 

I think Toyota sells about as many 4Runners as Tundras per year, about 120-130k. I think they sell about 250k Tacoma’s.

 

Toyota’s volume seller in the US and Canada is the RAV4 .

 

If I am not mistaken, and I am about 90% sure the RAV 4 is now Toyota's #1 selling vehicle.

 

I edited that post , you’re 100% correct . The next Toyota is the Camry . I just watched that add in another thread with the older lady getting on the freeway with the Corolla and that’s the car I was thinking of . My bad .

 

Surprising...seems like I see them all over around here.

 

An article I read a couple years about vehicle longevity said that the 4Runner is the #1 vehicle for lasting 300k+ miles.

Probably why we see so many of them; they’re all still being driven.

 

Yep, most reliable vehicle in the USA

 

...or a 5 year life cycle could be what the market and competitive landscape demand.

 

Agreed. Large percentage of people talk themselves into shit “investments” like cars every 5 years, if that long.

That being said, I do believe Ford and GM have no choice. They literally have nothing but garbage aside from their pick ups/full size SUV’s and maybe the mustang/corvette.

 

Problem with the diesel option is that the EPA changes their minds every 4-8 years and there's no reason for a manufacturer like Toyota to built (of have built) a whole new diesel engine just to be made illegal/obsolete the next year. That's what has happened to the 2022 Tundra. I was told by a Toyota NASCAr engine builder 3 years ago that the tundra was going to be a diesel hybrid. Then the rumors of a V-6 twin turbo came about and I asked him almost a year after he told me about the diesel that it was going to be a V-6 twin turbo hybrid because of the EPA and their constantly changing emission laws.

 

No doubt about it: there is quite a bit of demand for something "new" every 5 years, from people who, quite honestly, should be saving their money rather than spending it so frequently. I won't fault Ford, GM or FCA for exploiting that market opportunity.

What I will note is that the truck an OEM builds for that short term, 5 year owner is not the same sort of truck that is built for 10 years of primary ownership and 5-10 years of secondary and tertiary ownership. The F-150 is a decent truck, but its not one that I have any desire to own out of warranty for obvious reasons...this isn't an issue for the average F-150 owner because they trade up before those problems arise (or become a financial liability).

I don't trade up every few years; rather I like to get my money's worth out of each vehicle. I have absolutely no concern owning a Toyota product outside of warranty for +10 years. Toyota explicitly builds the Tundra, as well as the LC200, Tacoma and 4runner with that sort of ownership style in mind: somewhat under powered engines, somewhat overbuilt chassis, and very conservative payload and towing #'s.

Toyota will never "win" market dominance, at least within the 1/2 ton market, with that kind of mentality, but they sure as hell will solidify their consumer base by sticking to that principle.

 

Back in 2013, I purchased a GMC Acadia for Mrs. Preacher as she wanted one really bad. I was very skeptical about GM products but, Mrs. Preacher is super hot and I was not about to forfeit my extra-curricular activities. One year into ownership, she wanted to drive it into the Gulf of Mexico and never look back. That damned thing had the most chronic and insane problems that I have EVER encountered in 35 years of vehicle ownership. First, the water pump took a dump. Then, a parasitic electrical drain issue, causing batteries to drain over 48 hours of sitting. Then, a broken engine mount. Followed by a factory flawed flywheel malfunction, causing the engine to have to be completely removed for repair. There were other minor issues, but the aforementioned were the biggies. And ALL of these problems occurred over a 3 month/1500 mile period! GM can suck my holy nuts! Toyota for the rest of my life.

 

Well if a NASCAR mechanic said so, it must be true!

But seriously, we'll have to wait & see. Everyone has the inside "scoop," but Toyota is usually very tight-lipped about their future models.

 

Well I'm gonna guess that as a longtime Toyota employee he has more information about it than a bunch of random people on the internet.

 

If he is a mechanic working on the company's NASCAR team, then I'm confident in assuming that he probably has very little insight as to Toyota's short and long term strategic decisions.

 

I think you’re painting the domestics and their buyers with an overly broad brush. There are a lot of folks on the Ford board (the only other truck board I frequent) that have had their trucks since Moby Dick was a minnow. However, I agree with most of your premise.

I also agree that Toyota buyers keep their vehicles longer and Toyotas are more reliable on average than domestic brands. However, with specific regard to the Tundra, even FCA can produce exceptionally reliable vehicles if they never redesign them.

There are multiple ways to measure quality; reliability and durability are two of the ways. There are trade offs with buying a Tundra and there are potential trade offs with buying a domestic.

I bought a Ford 6 years ago because I was unwilling to make the trade offs required to get a Tundra (potentially better reliability vs. definitely fewer features). My Ford has 135k on it and has been an incredibly fine truck. I think I made a wise decision to purchase the Ford.

Toyota redesigns other models more frequently but has chosen not to do so with the Tundra. That’s fine but it costs them sales due to consumer preferences and segment competition ferocity. There’s no need to disparage those who choose to purchase domestics. Most domestic vehicles are quite good and most domestic buyers are as reasonable as any car buyer.

I’ll most likely trade in a couple years and will again choose between Ford and Toyota (that’s why I’m here). If Toyota can maintain an edge in reliability while closing the feature gap, then I’ll drive away in a shiny new Tundra and trade it in 6-10 years just like I plan to do with my Ford.

 

Toyota better knock the 2022’s out of the park or papa’s gonna be searching for cybertruck forums..

 

I agree with everything you said, but you skipped one important part: Resale!

Unfortunately, you'll like your 6 year old Ford with 135K a lot less when it fetches about 25% of what you paid for it originally on trade in. You'll probably get 30-33% if you sell it yourself. A six year old Tundra (2105) with the 135K miles, as of right now, will fetch well above 50% of it's original cost. The beauty of well made vehicles is that they don't depreciate based on age hardly at all. They depreciate primarily on mileage. Though the line-up Tundras, 4Runners, Tacomas years don't matter much, mileage does because people know what they are purchasing.

The worst part of buying a Tundra is having to pay for one.

 

NOT IN my neck of the woods. Tacomas, 4Runners, Tundras EVERWHERE. Hells, all kinds of Toyotas everywhere.




Just saying...



O.S.T.

 

One of the main reasons Toyota, and other manufacturers, are involved in NASCAR, Formula 1 etc. is for product development. They obviously would not (necessarily) test a diesel hybrid in a NASCAR truck but they use the racing technology in development of their production drivetrains. Those mechanics know a lot about what Toyota is working on for production vehicles; they are not oil change technicians.

 

Maybe they sell all 100k each year in your area . IDK .

 

When I bought my Tundra in the Limited trim it was the cheapest of the manufactures with the options that I wanted.

 

one of the things I have noticed is there is no information on any of the 2022 Toyotas out in the internet.

 

What feature GAP are you referring to? Everyone always says the tundra lacks features, Im always curious of what that is? The tundra has pretty much all the features of every other truck. Unless you mean massaging seats, a multi pro function tailgate. FCA also does not redesign vehicles as often as you make it sound....their powertrain has mostly been the same for many years, the challenger\charger are still largely the same. most jeep models have largely been the same other than cosmetic changes.

 

True. ... just paid over 36k for a 16 plat with 65k miles and a front end collision on the record.

Also true : I'm giddy as a schoolgirl over the decision because it was a 1 owner with detailed records. Said owner just purchased brand new 2021. I would have done the same if there was a bypass kit for the pcs/tss crap.