2022 Tundra

this is the type of shit I’m talking about Toyota . We should not have to go through stuff like this to get a little storage in the truck, I don’t want to hear the reliability card. We need some improvements in a lot of areas like this...

 

There’s a shit ton going on in this thread. What a wild ride.

I won’t be able to afford one until like 2032 probably so I’ll worry about it then.

Better Mpg and more one ton like capabilities would be cool. Haha

 

Sure, If I installed a laptop, I'll have all the features and more

Electric generator, not invented in 2020. 12 inch LCD screen? I remember purchasing a 17 inch display for my computer back in 2005.

 

That was my point . None of it was in a pick up before .
Are you saying that it doesn’t matter what the new Tundra has it’s going to be low tech ?

 

Again...they left underseat storage (which the double cab has) out of the crewmax because crewmax buyers said they preferred the extra floor space with the seat bottoms up. The decision had nothing to do with reliability. I just wish the floor was the same height all the way back.

 

That is correct, automotive innovation has been stagnant for decades. Lots of these "innovation" they market are just things we see and have used. LCD screen, maps, USB ports, generator, seat heaters. All these items can be purchased at eBay, Amazon, Ali... They are all "thrown" in, with poor integration.

Innovative technology cannot just be added. Things like stage 3 autonomy. Heated seats, seat memory, support using deep learning adjusting to the use in real time. Cameras, that know where you want to look, without cycling through the choices manually, Augmented reality on the windshield.

I'll say Rivian, Cybertruck, have some of these innovation.

 

I know , I was being sarcastic with the reliability thing over the storage . Sometimes doesn’t translate over the intranet

 

Ha! You ain’t kiddin

 

This thread has taken off...........

Like many, I bought my Tundra for an overall expectation of better reliability, but knowing most full size trucks have better than average reliability.

No question in 2017 that the Tundra, especially the TRD PRO (with SR5 content) was spartan compared to the big 3, almost embarrassingly so, but that was appealing to me as I wanted a long term problem free experience. I had the dealer install heated seats front and back as that was a must have. I like the Multimedia system, and having AA and ACP in my wifes car, prefer the Toyota system. It is simple, and reliable, and does all I want it to. I do wish it had little things like auto up and down windows, and better/dual heat controls, but simple is reliable over time. I love the proven powertrain, and cross driving with some of my buddies with everything but a Raptor, all agree the engine/trans/power/sound of my TRD PRO is superior for average daily use. Fuel economy? MEH, overall, the Tundra is close for real world driving, and doesn't need premium fuel. I average 14 around town and 18 highway.

The 6 speed is 'under geared' compared to the 8 & 10 speeds, but it works flawlessly and the motor is still one of the most advanced even as old as it is. I don't mind the idea of a twin turbo 6, but hope they keep an 8, and take the 5.7 to the next level with a dual FI system (DI & Port) with other improvements, and a heavy duty trans to match. Is amazing to me that the Tundra still can hold its own. The recent additions of the safety crap, digital dash, upgrades to the audio, heated/cooled seats, etc are good, especially the digital dash. The Domestic trucks are nicer and better equipped than most luxury cars, as they (with SUV's) have replaced the family/luxury car.

I love the truck with few exceptions. The biggest disappointment is bed payload. I was hoping to use it for a bed camper, but the capacity is so low, that is a no go. Not a deal breaker, but disappointing, and had I researched that may have passed and gone with a 3/4 ton. Still looking at a couple sub 2000lb units, but am likely going to go for a more off road oriented pop up camper, and put a front hitch receiver to load a small motorcycle (300-400lbs). That is a retirement thing (2-3 years). It is a light duty 1/2 ton truck, but I never understood why they didn't offer a 3/4 ton option. One look at the rear diff, trans case, bearing housings, etc and it is clear the truck is overbuilt and CAN do more than is rated for. Springs and possibly the rear section of the frame are the weak points.

I will likely NOT be a new Tundra buyer when they release the truck, but am hoping the next will leapfrog the competition for content and capability as the last one did.

 

I’m sorry I guess I didn’t explain myself well . I agree automotive innovation has been stagnant , I wasn’t suggesting otherwise . I’m only talking tech in the trucks not innovation . It may not be innovative but it is tech nonetheless .

 

if they are going with that Lexus motor, they better turn the wick up a little more, that output isn't going to do it

 

416hp doesn't do it for you?

 

not really, but I was more looking at the 443lbs.

we didnt wait all this time and giving up our V8s for 42lbs of torque

 

Agreed. 416 is plenty. Same for the 443 lb.ft torque. We get conditioned into thinking that we need more; in reality - do we really?
Back in the 80's the f150 V8 had 130HP and 250lb.ft torque and everyone got a wet spot in their pants about it. When they first broke 200HP everyone thought that was crazy. Now we are at double that and we think it is not enough. Don't get me wrong, I will take everything I can get, but we really don't need it.

 

This reminds me of the discussion with my brother-in-law. He wants to get a F-350 dually to pull his trailer because his F-250 might not be heavy enough to do it. In the rest of the world people pull trailers (caravans) with their little sedans.


Again, how much size and power do we really need vs. want?

 

Your giving up the V8 to get better mpg, it's a lighter motor, it produces more HP and torque and add the hybrid option for a further increase in mpg and torque. I don't see a problem here.

 

Worldwide comparisons are usually not the greatest. This country is HUGE and we pull campers and such from sea level up over the Rocky Mountains. Hundreds or even thousands of miles. How far are they towing them in countries that are smaller than Texas? Hell, Smaller than Wyoming or Montana? Now, I know there are places where they do crazy shit, but they also don't have the regulations and laws that prohibit it.

Along the same lines, yes people do things all the time and get away with it. Over and over, right up until they don't, because something went wrong and the stupid they've been doing for years catches up to them in one big, terrible moment.

"Everyone else is doing it" has been the go to excuse for stupidity since time began. Doesn't make it any less unwise just because everyone else is doing it, too.

 

Those HP/TQ numbers are very close to the GM 6.2L (420hp, 460tq). Also with it being a TT the torque will come on thousands of RPM earlier (1600 vs 4100), and it will get better MPG. Will be extremely happy if this is indeed the case.

If they crank it up a bit, or add hybrid like the new Fords, it will be an absolute monster.

 

we'll have to see what the hydrid option adds if they go that route.

but coming to the market with your next gen truck only to have it be way down on power compared to the others on the market seems kinda goofy to me.

for example, the Ford is 434/570

what are we thinking the hydrid will add?

 

thats what I was thinking in my earlier post, turn up the wick a bit. Then add the hybrid.

I would think you would want to be somewhere in the ballpark of the Ford if since that seems to be the direct competitor

 

I grew up in South Africa. We pulled caravans over the Drakensberg which is a mountain range with elevations and slopes similar to anywhere in the Rockies. 1000 mile trips. People use VW golfs and similar to pull their caravans, and they all arrive at their destinations. I was just saying that we are conditioned to believe that we need more when we really don't. Yes, it is nice to have more power, but nice and need are two different things.
I think a 400HP 400 lb.ft truck is plenty. More is nice, but typically not needed. If they make a 700 HP, 1000 lb.ft Tundra I might buy it, but it will not be because I need it.

 

Ford added 34/70 with their hybrid. So would expect similar.......... but would LOVE more.

 

The rest of the world has little single axle trailers like in your picture. In Europe there isn’t room for full sized trucks and gas is super expensive. America goes big on everything, just look at a triple axle toy hauler!!!

 

From South Africa? That's pretty cool.

I can't speak toward those experiences as I have not had them, but need is relative. With the big trailers we do need bigger trucks because of a few things: speeds required to travel in the alotted time, safety regs that require it, and also our big fat American selves and all our snacks in our jumbo trailers need space and power to move that space.


Just for the record too, top elevations of each range:

 

That's not what I am talking about - yes we have bigger tripple axle trailers etc. What I am talking about is apples-to-apples comparison and what we think we need for it. Following 2 photos for instance, about the same size trailer - one guy is using a Golf to pull it, and it's fine, the other guy would never do that; needs a Tundra to pull it. I am not trying to insult anyone; just saying that we don't really need what we think we need.

 

If the trailers are the same weight, you have a point. It is possible to tow with less, BUT the laws require more. That then becomes a need because nobody wants a fine.

 

It's all good. I am Americanized now and want bigger also.
For the record - the elevations - most roads over the Rockies don't go over the highest elevation - most passes are probably under the 10,000 ft mark. At the Drakensberg you actually cross over it, at about the 10,000 ft mark. Just a little useless trivia information.

 

I figured that would be the case.

 

But we digress,
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