2022 Tundra

I remember back when I was in Italy, the diesel fuel was 5 times the cost of gas in the states.

There are probably environmental, economical, and political reasons. If they offered clean diesel, the prices will probably go much higher.

we look at MPG, but should be MPD (miles per dollar). Diesel used to be lower than regular, creating up, now is close to premium. And diesel should be cheaper since require less refinement. Possibly because getting increased demand from consumers for personal use.

 

For the record, I'm not 'scared' of an EB. I'm scared of a company treating turbos (and reliability, and warranty support in general lol) like Ford did.

I would LOVE a TT in a Tundra, and believe you me, once it comes out and is proven to be reliable (and with Toyota there's every indicator that it will be), I'll be right up there to trade in my 2020 Tundra on one. But as they say, once bitten, twice shy, and the fact is that the EB had (and has) more than a few issues. If you google "Toyota 5.7L issues) you won't find much, but you'll find a *TON* if you do the same with the 3.5L EB.

With all of this said, I wouldn't call the EB an unreliable engine. But compared to the 5.0L F150 engine, it's had more issues; and compared to the Toyota 5.7L? Absolutely I would. Which is why I'll wait a few years once the Tundra TT comes out.

 

This. I'm not at all scared of change. I *WANT* a Tundra with a TT engine.

But not at the cost of reliability. I'm sure Toyota will get it right in the long run - hell, they may get it right in the short run. But until that's proven, I'll stick with what has been proven.

 

I know this wasn't addressed to me; but I've been saying this for years, as have many. In general it's known that the first model year isn't the best reliability-wise when big changes are introduced. Toyota's far better about it than other companies, but still, I've been applying this logic to vehicles I've been buying ever since I was old enough to buy my own.

 

Even with the e.b. performance, I wouldn't have one. Obviously, we are all aware they've had issues. I love my gas guzzling 5.7. . . But if I can get the same reliability out of a Toyota t.t. V6 AND get 20+ mpg and even better performance. . . .sign me up.. . Who knows at this point but I have a hard time imagining Toyota is gonna release a new truck that is junk. . They have probably been working on this for as long as Ford has. . .Ford just jumped the gun and I feel Toyota will have their shit together. They normally do. . .

 

Headlights look similar to ones on F1shittys

 

Yeah first year vehicles always seem sketchy, but I feel that's probably from any other brand BESIDES toyota. You're absolutely right, this TT V6 has probably been in development since at least sometime in the 2nd gen Tundra's lifecycle. Maybe the LS500 is the test bed for it, since those buyers are way less susceptible to price/warranty shock; though I'd be surprised if TT V6 in the LS500 is really going to be the exact same as what shows up in the truck. I'd expect a longer stroke variant in the truck, even if it retains the same displacement.

 

tend to agree, I had one of the first tundras ever in late 99, it was fine.

same with the first ever tacoma in 95.5

 

I had a 95.5 and that was probably the toughest truck I've ever owned.

 

I had a 2002 TDI with a sunroof that you pour money into.
Complete POS that was great on fuel. Never again.

 

I don't think they will move above the 7% market share with only a V6 TT Tundra.

 

Because it’s been so great with the V8? Even early on in the 2nd Gen life cycle when it truly was superior to the Big 3 in a ton of metrics they never had much market share. And that was back when V8’s were the only option. Now with the introduction of tighter regulations, smaller displacement FI technology, and hybrid technology it only makes sense to drop the V8.

From an emissions and MPG standpoint, whether we like it or not, the 5.7 is getting regulated out / phased out. Toyota is very Japanese in how they will invest in refining what they are good at, compared to taking big swings (and possibly misses) in a market they historically don’t see much return on.

With their track record of reliable / efficient / powerful hybrids and FI motors to draw from, they have a genuine opportunity to be class leading when it comes to power trains. They didn’t have to redesign a whole new big block V8 which would only be sold in a handful of American market vehicles, they already have the hybrid and FI technology costs and R&D knowledge shared across other platforms.

 

I for one am not scared of a turbo v6. I had an f150 with the 3.5 ecoboost prior to my Tundra and never had one issue with that motor with over 110K in it. I did not like the turbo lag and it def has some lag to it. What I am interested in is better payload because I tow a camper often. If this new truck has much improved payload, a trans cooler, better storage and proves reliable I would not have an issue moving into one say the second year of production.

 

I don't know of anyone drooling over a full sized pickup with a V6 TT. I see on the forum they exist but in my neck of the woods we have more unicorns than v6 TT truck enthusiasts.

 

Curious. How long has Toyota (Lexus) been making a twin turbo V-6?

 

The motor supposedly going in the Tundra was introduced in the 2018 Lexus LS500. For what it’s worth, Consumer Reports lists Lexus as the most reliable turbo V6 manufacturer.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/jalopn...lexus-ls-500-is-a-legit-v8-rep-1827805843/amp

If they add hybrid technology to it, like they are rumored to do, and have in many other models, it will be a truly impressive package.

Hell, Ford added hybrid tech to their 3.5TT and it’s now 430 hp and 570 lb-ft of torque, gets 24mpg city and combined, and is faster 0-60 than the Raptor.

 

I use to have a 1980 VW Diesel "Pickup Truck". Although tiny in size, BIG IN MPG. 57mpg! Crazy!

Never had a problem with that little beast.


O.S.T.





looked like this.

 

Pretty much the same. I don't drive my truck that much and my wife has a Ram 1500 so if it has teething problems I can deal with it. Toyota isn't immune to it so I kinda expect they'll be something - hopefully something I can tweak on my own. And also - nobody buy one until I get mine, I want there to be huge incentives when I do get it

Basically if the truck has to be reliable, wait a few months for others to see what the issues are, but if someone is like me who has options or doesn't drive a lot then no need to wait just to see about reliability - and that's because it's a Toyota. Their history doesn't show them to use consumers as guinea pigs to the same degree as others.

 

how do you feel about the 2021 Cummins now coming with the cp3 pump? Would you still pick the duramax? Im pulling more trailers for work now and they’re only getting heavier and the distances are getting longer. It has me strongly considering a diesel depending on what Toyota does with the 2022 tundra.

 

Not sure if you meant to quote me or someone else but I would still lean towards a Duramax. (Full disclosure: It's possible that I'm biased towards GM.) The Cummins may be a better engine and the Aisin may be a better transmission if you can find one but I wouldn't trust the rest of the truck not to fall apart around you. As far as I know, GM is also the only one with IFS. I know Ford is still using a solid front axle that can cause a death wobble and I believe Ram is as well.

I will defer to our resident oil burning expert, @ColoradoTJ , though.

 

Since it has to be new (company truck) I was looking at gmc because of styling but when I heard ram switched back to the cp3 it became an option again. I like the solid front axle more than the ifs but gm ifs have come a long way since the early 2000. As a company we decided that I will be towing a 24’ tilt bed over a grade twice a month over summer and it doesn’t sound like fun for me or my tundra. And I’d rather not have to be in one of our1 ton service trucks for that long.

 

One of my friends bought himself a 2007 Duramax because his dad's 2003 was so reliable. But trucks from that era have a lot of miles on them now.

 

Those seem to be pretty solid. My buddy has a 2009 GMC 2500 with the Duramax. Great truck. I’d be looking at that era GM if I ever needed to tow more.

 

I had a 2004 and a 2008 Duramax. Both got used pretty hard and never had a problem at all. Super reliable and did not replace a single thing on either. Did I mention they got ran really hard... In my younger years.....

Some of the early ones had problems with injectors. My 2004 LB7 did not, but I believe GM would replace up to 150,000 miles if not mistaken.

Can't say the Duramax is that much better than the other competition. What makes the Duramax is what is bolted up directly behind it!

 

I grew up going out to the dunes at least once a month and it seemed like almost every time I saw a new Chevy pigeon towed sitting on the beach. Most of them were lifted on 14 wides though. Just left a negative veiw of those ifs systems in my head.

 

So who will pick up a new tundra as soon as they are released? Or will you run your current gen for a few years longer. For some reason my 2016 crewmax limited with 37k miles still makes me smile. First truck I’ve ever owned that I didn’t get sick of after a year or two. I plan on most likely running mine for much longer since it’s paid off and still like new condition however if it’s a sharp looking new release it prob will be tough walking the Toyota dealership!

 

I bought my ‘18 and haven’t looked back. I’d rather spend money on this truck than buy a new one. Can’t wait until it’s paid off!!