Thinking of getting an HD truck?

My wife and I are planning on buying a travel trailer. Originally I planned on using our Tundra, but we have decided to go with a 3/4 ton. I’m wondering what you guys think a 2019 Tundra is worth with 23,000 miles? Trade in vs private party? I had an offer for around 37,650 from a dealer.

My second question is what do you guys think of the 2021 7.3 gas? It seems to be the Goldilocks engine. I know about the issues with the wires. Anything else I’m missing? I’m debating which gears to go with. I drove one with 355 and it was a total dog! I’m thinking 430 but I was wondering about the 373. Just curious if anyone has any insight?

 

You are going to have to provide more details about your truck for any kind of a price estimate. Which engine is it? What options and packages? And even after all that, you are still going to be better off looking at NADA, Edmunds, and KBB than taking the word of the forum. Notice I said AND because you need to look at all 3 to get an idea of what it is worth in your area. Some go higher, some go lower, but between the 3 you get a ball park idea. Part of why the forum won't be of as much use on this is because values vary by region. Also, you will always get more going private party vs trade, but it takes more time.


Personally, were I to be going up in truck size, I'd be very keen to see what the 7.3 from Ford can do. Unfortunately, only time is going to answer that question. It's too new and any experiences with it are purely anecdotal at this point. You'll have somebody saying it's a leaking, unreliable pile of trash while the next person is going to rave it to no end. This is because it's not been around long enough to get enough data to form an accurate conclusion. Think of it like reviews on Amazon, or yelp. If you see a 1-5 star rating, but only 5 people have tried it, it's not giving you any kind of usable info. Now, you see the same product or restaurant with a 1-5 star rating and 5,000 reviews? That might mean something.

 

Lots of other threads on here about which HD truck to go to. Try searching this section or the towing section.

 

Recently traded for a 2020 F350 with the 7.3 gasser. With the 373 gears. I like it so far. I haven't towed yet..The jury is still out but so far generally I've seen good reliability out of all the research an reading. You don't see a ton of complaints on the Ford forums. A lot of guys run them in fleets so there has been a fair amount of abuse an higher milage examples already. The new 10 speed has had a few failures . Nothing widespread that I've seen.. I love the truck. It's HD an it feels HD.. As far as being a dog, my initial impression it didn't blow me away either. However I think if you have more seat time you will come around to realize it has lots of power. The programming could use some work an the 10 speed just has a totally different feel then a 6 speed.. When you learn how it acts you learn how to get it up an moving . And it does.. They have already shown the motor can take over 1000 whp/trq on basically a stock engine..( w twin turbos).. Aftermarket is really taking to it. I know there is alot of bias on this sight obviously.. I've owned mostly imports, an several toyotas. But fact is the Tundra is built for one purpose an an HD truck is built for another.. Heavy loads and hauling.. There are trade offs with anything.. A HD will tow far superior to a 1/2 ton.. An let's also face the fact that the Tundras capacity an payload are not the greatest.. But it's a great all around reliable truck.. I'm happy with my purchase. I will also note they are giving good money for used Tundras right now. They gave me just shy of what I paid A year ago. An sold it for thousands more within a week..

 

How big of a travel trailer are you looking at?

 

Hey guys...I thought I put more details about my truck in here. It’s a Crewmax SR5. It’s going to be returned to as close to stock as I can. I have brand new Toyo AT3s on it. My Trailer has a max weight of 9950...but it will likely weigh max at 8000. I have been told my Tundra can tow it, but I would have to have a calculator out... and if my daughters came they would have to take a second car.

I’m super bummed about getting rid of my truck. I plan on keeping my BA muffler and my running boards so that someday I can get another Tundra.

I did use the search feature and didn’t find much on the 7.3. Tons on my you need an HD!

I really do appreciate everyone’s help.

 

Sounds like you are well within specs to tow that trailer. Max weight is usually with all tanks full. What is the hitch weight of the trailer? I would think you would be fine payload wise for your entire family in the truck plus the trailer

 

My dry weight is just over 8000 lbs. Loaded to go camping is probably just over 9000. I know I am right at the max towing capacity. Maybe even a little over, but with a good WDH and the tire pressure up in the rear, it tows really well. Not trying to talk you out of buying a 3/4 ton truck, just letting you know it can be done with the Tundra.
If I was going to buy a 3/4 ton, I would buy a diesel. They hold their value like a Toyota. Gas jobs drop value way too fast

 

Thanks for your input guys. I took my truck to a scale and it with the four of us in the cab and a full tank of gas I have 400 pounds of payload left on the Tundra. With a hitch weight of like 750 before the WDH I’m over the payload. Plus I don’t want to be a white knuckled guy. If I wanted to throw a generator plus firewood in the back an Hd truck makes sense. I really hate the thought of getting rid of my Tundra. ARE YOU LISTENING TOYOTA?

I don’t want the care and feeding a Diesel. I have a 6 mile daily drive. A diesel wouldn’t hold up to that. GM has direct injection so that leaves me a Ford. I’m debating the 6.2 with the 6 speed because it’s been around for a while. The 7.3 makes the power of a diesel from a few years ago and more power than the 7.3 powerstroke.

 

He would be at or over max payload on the tundra.
Tongue weight should be between 10-15% of the trailer weight in most cases. Say his trailer is 8,000 lbs and it's a low 10% tongue weight. That's 800 lbs out of the Tundras payload. Then any passengers and gear get added, any added items on the truck, and your WDH comes out of the payload as well. Really not hard to crack the 1100 to 1300 pound payload that Crewmax Tundras have.

Like he said, his passengers would likely need to follow in another vehicle.

Edit: his post wasn't there when I wrote this.

 

This is super helpful. The 430 in the Tremor turns into a 373 with the 35 inch tires. It makes me think that is the ratio I’m looking for. I realize gas mileage is going to suck, just curious what are you getting with that?

 

I'm seeing around 14 ish mixed driving. Granted take into account it's winter here so milage suffers a little.. I saw as high as 16 ish on a longer highway run.. I'm usually going 80ish highway speed so I'm not driving for milage either .. I consider this on par with what I was getting with my Tundra but with 1 ton capacity. So I'm not complaining at all..

 

What's wrong with DI?

Look at the Ford forums some more. I've heard of a lot of issues with the new 7.3.

 

Direct injection doesn’t clean the intake valves and can cause carbon build up . They’re a good candidate for a catch can .

 

The DI is a problem for me because of the short drives. 3 miles one way...you have to watch the carbon build up. The catch cans help.

 

I'd rather run a GM 6.6 with a catch can than either a Ford 6.2 or 7.3.

 

I just got rid of my 2019 Tundra Platinum 6 weeks ago. I had 51k miles in my Platinum. Chevy dealer was giving $41,500 for it. Cash offer of $44k to purchase outright. I traded in to save paying sales tax. The guy from Kentucky that was trying to buy it, went and bought it the next morning from the Chevy dealer for $44k. I traded it in at 8:30pm, truck was sold the next morning to 10:00am.

Now I got rid of mine right at the peak. No 2021's really on dealers lot. In a county 500k people, there were only 2 SR trim Tundras within 50 miles of Knoxville. Inventories seem to very slightly coming back as dealers are getting more 21's in here lately. I see values coming down a little here in the next couple months.

 

Also, I have posted on on other threads, but long story short I would stay away from the 7.3 at this time. We bought a couple of them for work, also have a couple 6.6 gas. Our crew leader uses them to go back and forth to jobs, occasionally tow a trailer with small roller, equipment, etc.... Does not tow a ton, but quite a bit of miles out on them.

The Fords have been very problematic. One lost the rear end ring gear, brake booster went out in another one. 2 of them have the ignition coil/pack troubles and spit and sputter. Dealer has no replacement parts for the ignition coil pack or whatever it is to fix. Dash went dark on the truck with the ring gear that was just replaced by Ford. Our guys don't care for them and so far they have been major disappointment......

In fact, as one that controls all things financial for our company, I might sell you one for very cheap to get out from these things if you like white, cloth XLT trim.

We have a couple 2020 GM 6.6 gas and not a single problem. 30k miles plus in both of them.

I will give the Ford the edge on power and towing. You will not notice it until you get above 10k pounds. 6.6 does just fine, but the Ford will out tow it.

I bought 2 Tundras for our surveyors to drive around and they love them last month!

We will be buying 3 more 6.6 gas trucks in the next 2 months to replace some of our aging F250's that have turned into money pits.

I really entertained getting a Tremor with 7.3 as they are sweet! Just couldn't do it with the luck we have had with them and also a couple other contractors we talk to are having same issues as us.......

 

Thank you so much for the information. I haven’t looked at the GM because the Chevy isn’t my thing. The GMC though isn’t too bad.I have been raised a GM guy. I still own a 2004 Yukon and I would buy it again tomorrow.

I don’t really like cylinder deactivation though. I personally know of 4 people whose engines blew up at 100,000 miles out of warranty when the spark shut off but the fuel didn’t. Also know of tons of issues with burning oil. With the new GM engines. I probably don’t know as much as I should about the 6.6. I knew if I put the question out there I would get more info.

 

Honestly, if you are considering an HD and want GM I would talk to ColoradoTJ. He is one of our moderators, and he made that move for towing purposes. The dude knows his shit on the trucks and I'd trust his guidance.

 

@ColoradoTJ

 

the 6.6 does not have any cylinder deactivation. It is matted to the tried and true GM 6-speed.

I looked at GMC's and the price was a good bit more to get leather. A lot more choices in packages with Chevy. I ended up going with the LT trim package. If you add the All Star package and convenience II package, you are in a very nicely equipped truck. MSRP of $53-$56, but expect to pay in the upper $40's. This package will get you close to an LTZ. The GMC was about 5-8k more to get into leather from what I remember.

The 6.6 is a cast iron 6.2 with a different stroke. More to it than that, but you get the picture.

 

One week ago I traded my 2016 Limited with 54500 miles and they gave me $36300.00 and about 3500 off new 2021 1794....just for reference sake. They are asking $39K for it now.

 

We have a new ford 7.3 gas engine truck at my work place. It currently has 65k miles on it. 99% of the time it has a 6 horse gooseneck on it. Tows awesome. Like diesel awesome. It is a fleet vehicle so not to many gizmos on it but it flat out works. We have only had it for around a year and it is rarely not running. I'd have to check the engine hours but they have to be fairly high.

 

Also, check employee pricing

there you go! A good report with no problems. Somebody is always going to have problems, others will be trouble free. The ones we have must have been built on Friday the 13th.

@Dodger46 sounds like you need to test drive all 3. GM, Ford, Ram and see if one jumps out at you.

 

Thought about an HD Truck for the last 6 months..... found one I wanted!

 

Thanks guys. I am going to do some driving tomorrow. I was offered $38,000 for my Tundra today...which is closer to the price I think it’s worth. I really appreciate all the information. Last I checked the old 6.0 had cylinder deactivation, so I figured the 6.6 had it too. Life was far simpler when all I wanted was a Tundra!

 

The aluminum 6.2 in the GM 1500s has cylinder deactivation but, as far as I know, the iron block 6.0 in the HDs never did.