2022 Tundra

I’m not forgetting hybrid, actually I’m hoping for it. I’m just railing against the turbo sentiment. I’m not a fan as I don’t see it has a way to truly reduce operating costs.

 

I just read through 323 posts and nobody has told me if it has a Transmission Cooler or not!!!!

 

Edmunds won't let me change the selection to the Turbo V6 3.5 in either Platinum or Limited, but don't kid yourself those Turbos depreciate even more. What helps the F150 is all the fleet vehicles that they produce in XL trims that don't depreciate as much because there isn't along way from the starting price down to $0. Examining the numbers, the cost per mile is my preferred method. The numbers here assume 15K per year. I do 20-25k per year. Over 5 years, this is a minimum of $12,000 in savings. Over 60 months, that's $200 per month to just throw out my rolled down back window of my Tundra compared to owning a Ford.

 

Maybe you get lucky-ish. My Pro just paid out at 8k more than I paid for it new. Of course it only got bought due to it being totaled.

 

So you agree that the hybrid will push the mpg to and maybe past 25.

It's likely going to be a twin turbo with the hybrid.

 

Not sure on that. I do know, at least from experience that turbos won’t boost your mpg by 60%. The combo though, yeah I suppose it might be possible to get close.

 

I averaged 15.2 miles with my Tundra in mixed driving over the course of 51k miles. This is mixed driving. Not romping on it everywhere, but not coasting either.

I have 4 family members with Ford F-150. Split evenly between 5.0 and 3.5 ecoboost. They never tow and is their daily drivers. Their older so they are easy on them, haha. 16.6 MPG is the highest any of them has averaged.

Fast forward to my work..... We have 6 Ford F-150. They range from base model F-150 with 2.7 to a F-150 Lariat with 5.0. All these trucks are 2017 and newer model year. Crew leaders or Project Managers drive these trucks to job and see a lot of miles. Mostly highway and rarely see a trailer. Breakdown is 2-2.7, 3-3.5 ecoboost, and 1-5.0. All of these trucks average 14.8 to 16.9 MPG. Their driving habits are not much different then mine.

Yes, we have had some issues with all of them. Taking into consideration repairs and fuel they are the most expensive trucks we run. We also have 6 1500 Denalis, 2 2500HD Denalis, 1 3500 Denali's. All of the GMC have between 58k to 302k miles on them. The GMC's have been 5x more reliable than the Ford's. Not going to get into it....... We also have 30+ F-250, 350, and 450.

Long story short, I am not a fan at all f 10-speed transmission and aluminum beds. But if the current Tundra had aluminum bed, 8 or 10-speed transmission like the others, it would get just as good as any domestic with the same 5.7 v8.

Hell the Tundra weighs as much as 800 pounds more than some of the comparable domestic 1/2 tons.

 

Your argument is valid, but so specific and not common. I drive 7500 miles per year, all mountain driving, and average 10mpg.

I can carguru based off year and depreciation per model, and the Ford averages better, at least in my situation.

 

Great info!
Thanks.

I’m not too worried about warranty repairs, etc. I put on 7500 miles per year, and average 10mpg in my 19 tundra too. Elevation and mountains makes for a bad recipe.

The 3.5 is more or less the same engine, that’s been tweaked and perfected for 9 years.

At 5k feet elevation, forced induction boosts not a lot. I bet I’ll get 24 in the powerboost. I got 9200 off msrp on the power boost. Comes with every bell and whistle and out the door will be 55k. Cheaper than a pro, and way way way nicer.

3k and tires and suspension will beat out almost anything.

 

Counselor, I'm just thrilled You stated my argument is Valid. Good luck with whatever Truck you pick.

Wow. Sounds like a great deal.

 

Agreed, turbos won't do a thing for mpg but they can make a V6 feel like a V8 with the increase torque they can provide at lower rpm. Another plus for the turbos is a better performing motor ar elevation. Combine the turbos with the Hybrid and you will end up with a very quick truck and better mpg than the V8.

 

Haha thanks. When I see a good argument, it makes me warm and fuzzy inside.

Yea, our Ford dealer got bought out, and they need sales. Also helps that no one drives Ford’s in Reno compared to GM/Toyota Bc the last owners were notorious drug peddlers and got busted by the DEA.

 

Precisely. At elevation without forced induction you’re down up to 20% of power, and have to use more gas to get up the same hill.

 

Brake rotors looks VERY small.

 

Any brake rotor looks small through a what appears to be a 22" rim.

 

looks like at 12” rotor under a 22” rim, probably a single big piston caliper.

 

I believe anything visible on such a test vehicle is there for deception.

 

This is the strangest thread . Makes no sense sometimes and people responding to posts like they are new but just duplicate posts with the same info from sometimes days earlier.

 

20 threads in one!

 

This is the strangest thread . Makes no sense sometimes and people responding to posts like they are new but just duplicate posts with the same info from sometimes days earlier.

 

I found new leaked photos.

 

I think hybrid is the way the go or full electric, that’s the future. I am very interested in how well the F150 PowerBoost performs and if they will put a HO version into the next Raptor. While TRX Supercharged V8 is nice to see, more people will buy a PowerBoost in a Raptor.

People still say, “if you are worried about MPG, don’t buy a truck”, but these days, you can have both.

I like the new Sienna Hybrid (actually it has less power than 3.5. It had 296hp). That MPG is nice and like the sliding doors, but wished it had a little higher ground clearance. Hopefully the next sequoia will have the hybrid and sliding doors, that would be a perfect in my opinion.

Reliability will be matured in time on any technology. The current 5.7 was actually very complex when it came out with dual overhead cams, fuel injection, variable valve timing.

 

How do we know that these spy shots are of a Toyota?

 

I stand corrected. The 3.5 did have a slight HP advantage then the new 2.5 hybrid. Testers the drove the new Sienna commented it was hard to tell the difference and it drove very similar to the old vehicle. I'm not sure what the torque numbers are?
https://youtu.be/_gPr7a6iZQ0

 

Scotty is brilliant. You bought a Ford, in part, because of Scotty. I have a friend who bought a Tundra because of Scotty. If you read the comments on his videos, people are buying just about everything and attributing it to him. He has made a fan base (really, a subscription base for himself ) that doesn’t really exclude fans of any automaker. Clever.

Exhibit A: the attached photo. These are the first two hits when you search “Scotty Kilmer ram”; they’re only two months apart!

Back to Ford. The F series is the only thing keeping Ford afloat. Thus, Ford is extremely aggressive with these fleet/service/emergency contracts. Many of these contracts are with municipal entities, which due to their nature have no inherent incentive to reduce their fleet’s turnover rate, especially when Ford bangs out new trucks so quickly for cheap. Ford simply wants to retain that market share because touting those contracts in their ad copy serves as VERY effective marketing for their consumer sales as well.

Exhibit B: people who buy Fords and quote their fleet/service market share.

I can’t believe Ford beat Toyota to an extremely torquey, fuel-efficient TT hybrid (I take that back; actually I can...), but I wouldn’t trust it with someone else’s money. If you enjoy new vehicles and buy every few years, more power to you. I see the fun in that for sure, unless it spends too much time at the dealer for warranty/recall work. But, IMO there hasn’t been a Ford truck made with longevity and ease of maintenance driving its design since my grandpa’s 2001 7.3L F350.

Lastly, with exponentially more F150s on the road than Tundras, those 200k-mile 3.5EBs sure do seem like unicorns.

 

Scotty's other bias seems to be positivity about any vehicle he gets his hands on (other than a Kia Optima).

"GM is shit but this 2014 Sierra 2500 my customer owns and this Aveo I rented are good."
"Nissan is shit but this XTerra my customer just bought is good."
"Mercedes is shit but this whatever my customer just bought is good."
"Jaguar is shit but Ford is good so this Jag built by Ford my customer just bought is good."

 

I appreciate the post. I didn’t get the powerboost because of Scotty, just a point from a pundit.

As a lifelong Toyota fan and owner, I’m apprehensive about any issues, but it’s all under warranty, and I know based off the depreciation for a new body style, I won’t get killed either way.
My 2019 tundra is a dog at 5k feet elevation and has never averaged above 10 mpg.

Considering the 2022 coming shortly, and how late to the game Toyota is, I’m going Ford because I can’t wait for the depreciation hit Q4 2021 when the new tundra gets released. I also am so far in the money on my tundra now, I’d have a good chunk o’ change to put toward the Ford.

My powerboost arrives February, and if the tundra gets unveiled before then and is better, I’ll go with that.

I love my 19 tundra, and have put about 15 into it, but I’m a young lawyer, and have a lot of trucks ahead of me.

 

Instead of a 3.5 TT hybrid, I was hoping for something else, unlikely that it may be

punch that bitch out to 6.2 I-Force V8

430hp, 495 lbs of torque

and maybe 15 city, 19 highway, 17 mixed (so a 2 gain over what we have now).

Im just not easily sold on a 3.5 v6 TT hybrid, I mean thats a lot going on and it will likely sound like shit.

Im in no way giving up, Im waiting to see what Toyota does, and see the actual truck and how it drives.

but plan B is a GMC AT4 6.2 with a Borla on it, HA! throat!

 

How will you determain which is the better truck? YouTube, online reviews or personal assessment? Every truck on the market has it's pros and cons. What is your order of priority? Is reliability at the top, fuel mileage, features or payload/towing?

 

Back in 1990 in Driver's Ed in High School. Merging on to the freeway, the instructor says "Floor It". Push the pedal all the way to the floor, nothing really happens.