Use of Deadly Force to Protect Personal Property

The whole "stuff" ie (property) is a weak argument if lethal force is used and there was no Motive, Oportunity, or Means on the perps side. Then that is manslaughter over goods and services.
I mentioned my dog being viewed as property by the state to put a wrinkle in the argument. My dog is part of my family , and he deserves a chance to shit in the yard again so i will defend his life.
The divide between stuff and people is pretty clear , however i would perhaps draw on someone committing a property crime if the situation is warranted. I will wait for LEO to show and handle the heavy lifting , Im not spending a night in the clink over a TV or jewelry.
But i do stand by the argument that law abiding citizens should be empowered to fight back and deter property crimes as well as violent attacks.

 

When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away

 

You come on my property without permission and with bad intentions... You very may well have stepped your last steps. Today's no consequence society, and "let him go" philosophy has only lead to more daring crimes. Unfortunately to the point where you get more likes on your FB if you make the news for your crime. If some punk thief thinks it's ok to trespass, steal, and get away with it, it will not be long before they step it up to the next level crime.
If you trespass on my property (signs posted) you will not be "let go" to do it again and again and again and again... and I'll face the music of my choices because I am responsible for them. I will sleep well at night knowing that my family is safer. If people look at me and say "that's the guy who will end you if you steal from him", then I've made the right impression.

 

AIM! AIM! AIM! STAY THE FAWK BACK!!! WE WILL DEFEND OURSELVES!!!

https://youtu.be/gjYuiLKHmPM?t=13205

 

but ya kinda did...

"If a guy gets shot in the stomach after stealing a stereo , im guessing he will start to reflect on some of the poor life choices he made to bring him to the bullet in his guts."

This is pretty much the definition of talking out of both sides of your mouth

 

The conversation between the cops and these three exceptional individuals is amazing, it's worth another five minutes:

https://youtu.be/gjYuiLKHmPM?t=13818

 

IMHO... I don't believe most situation such as presented in the OP every really occur. Sure. It might from time to time, but MOST of the time there is always something that doesn't fit the OP narrative.

If I come home, there is good chance, I don't know who else in my house besides my property.

Tell me. How am I suppose to KNOW beyond a reasonable doubt, that whomever is present is just looking to take my property?

 

If the person is in your house, castle doctrine applies (I did stay at a holiday inn express . . . once). I believe some of the examples in the article where personal property outside the house.

 

I didn’t say I am going to shoot someone for stealing my property, I made a hypothetical statement about how a criminal may do some self reflecting after being shot for stealing property.

 

Doubt it . . . if so, we wouldn't have repeat offenders. Of course stats below don't show how many were shot, but goes to show perps don't learn and make different life choices.

Mariel Alper, Ph.D., Matthew R. Durose, BJS Statisticians, Joshua Markman, former BJS Statistician

May 23, 2018 NCJ 250975



Examines the recidivism patterns of former prisoners during a 9-year follow-up period. The report provides data on the number and types of crimes prisoners commit after release, by offender characteristics, commitment offense, whether the arrest was within or outside the state of release, and whether released prisoners had no subsequent arrests during the follow-up period. It also shows how recidivism and desistance patterns change when using longer or shorter follow-up periods, including cumulative and annual arrest percentages, year of first arrest following release from prison, and the total number of arrests of released prisoners. Findings are based on data from BJS's Recidivism Study of State Prisoners Released in 2005 data collection, which tracked a sample of former prisoners from 30 states for 9 years following release in 2005. Source data are from prisoner records reported by state departments of corrections to BJS's National Corrections Reporting Program and national criminal history records from the FBI's Interstate Identification Index and state criminal history repositories via the International Justice and Public Safety Network.



Highlights:

• The 401,288 state prisoners released in 2005 had 1,994,000 arrests during the 9-year period, an average of 5 arrests per released prisoner. Sixty percent of these arrests occurred during years 4 through 9.
• An estimated 68% of released prisoners were arrested within 3 years, 79% within 6 years, and 83% within 9 years.
• Eighty-two percent of prisoners arrested during the 9-year period were arrested within the first 3 years.
• Almost half (47%) of prisoners who did not have an arrest within 3 years of release were arrested during years 4 through 9.
• Forty-four percent of released prisoners were arrested during the first year following release, while 24% were arrested during year-9.

https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=6266

 

So years ago a guy tried to break into 4 houses on my block. 3 houses he turned and ran...he was met with a gun in 2 of those houses, one he couldnt get into. The 4th house he got into....
It was MY house. He didnt make it into the living area, just the basement. Neighbors all called the cops. Cops caught him in my side yard. When he came out of my basement. His defense was, he was lost, didnt know where he was. He was caught with a knife, the length of the blade I guess is what sent him to prison.
So, I guess, someone comes into my house uninvited. I figure it's to do harm. They will see my gun.
Steal from my garage or shed...nah.

 

The scenario ive heard is more of someone on your property or leaving your home. Example, you hear someone in your shed at night and go to investigate. Or a thief thinks you’re not home then realizes you are and tries to flee with your property.

In my carry class years ago, a legitimate question I heard asked was “if someone is running my door or climbing out my window with my tv I’m ok if I shoot him before he gets out right? Should I drag him back him if he falls out?” Meaning no ones life was in jeopardy, just the mans $200 tv, and the threat was retreating and he wanted to kill the man if that scenario arose...that kind of attitude is what threatens our gun rights imo.

Now if the individual is in your house, especially if you have family home, once you have identified as an intruder by all means skin that smoke wagon!

 

For some reason this all reminds me of an article i read about rape and blaming the victims for their provocative dress.
Might be a stretch to tie these two crimes together , but "letting them go" after they steal your property would be kinda like blaming you for having nice things worthy of someone stealing.

 

Judges say: "Yep. It's a stretch".

 

Yeah, it’s tough for sure, I wish just the only two possible options weren’t let them go tell no one and pretend like it didn’t happen or perform a failure to stop and put two center mass and one to their dome.

If only there were alternatives to the two...

 

Just remember, if you take that shot and miss and end up hitting little Suzy as she sleeps in her bed in the house across the street you will be liable, maybe not criminally, by civilly for sure. So sure hope you have a great umbrella insurance or good lawyer or both.

 

I'm good with this. I probably would even try to wound the guy if he's in the house.

I see a gun....... its at least a double tap.

 

This is so true. Only way I would take a shot is within feet of me. If they were coming at me.
One thing about the people that rob your sheds and garages, karma usually gets them in the end. I actually caught a woman in my yard walking off with my grandkids toys. She dropped the stuff when I got to her. Called the cops and described her. They caught her within minutes. I couldnt press charges, because I didnt live here. My daughter lived here. But before she went to court for it she robbed 2 houses...and got caught at each. But the best part was one house was the city prosecutor's house! She got hammered, probably has a couple more years to do.

 

Im sure a gun in the face would cause some criminals to contemplate a career change.

 

I think you underestimate the stupid dumb and the lazy brave.

 

perhaps.
I do know that as soon as something becomes idiot proof , they build a better idiot...

 

I'm stealing this line

 

Unfortunately, I feel society is set up that way now a days though. Need warning labels for everything. I think we need to let natural selection do its thing again for a while.

 

So, I guess, someone comes into my house uninvited. I figure it's to do harm. They will see my gun.
Steal from my garage or shed...nah.[/QUOTE]



Sorry something got cut off. Was quoting @Notachickmagnet.

 

Alright now Porkchop, I’ve been somewhat at odds with some things you’ve said, now you go post this junk...AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!

 

civil conversation is how the cool kids do it.