Turbo V6 vs. 5.7 mileage

Could be but that's a different discussion of the V6 vs the V8

 

It's not so much a discussion of the number of cylinders as it is boosted/small displacement vs naturally aspirated/large displacement. People want the v8 because it reliably produces adequate HP and torque for far longer than most people care to own a single vehicle. This is also true of Toyota's global v8, the 1VD-FTV diesel. We don't get that here because of the EPA. We don't get the 3UR any more. And we don't get the naturally aspirated 1GR in the 300 series, either.

We get exactly one engine with or without a hybrid option from Toyota in full size trucks and SUVs, and it's a boosted small displacement v6 that has been randomly eating bearings at an insanely wide range of mileages since it debuted in the Japan built LS500 in 2017.

It just says to me Toyota doesn't care to take the truck market seriously in the US.

 

They also offered the 1GR in the 200 series in some overseas markets...

 

Look at the output of both the V35A and the 1VD-FTV (4.5 twin turbo diesel) - the V35a outclasses it in every category (matches it for tq output - with max tq available at around the same rpm range as the diesel) - from what I hear the 1VD is a thirsty diesel to - so fuel economy is not really a high point.

Again output is not a problem with the V35A - if we can have full confidence they aren't going to pop prematurely, then its a pretty solid engine imo.

 

The Tundra was slammed for a decade for being old and archaic before they actually updated it. I know many of us prefer a simple reliable vehicle, and that is a much bigger selling point than more hp or mpg. But manufacturers don't build things for us... not in the US anyway.

How many of you bought SRs? The base vehicles are always the best value and most reliable. But most people still opt for an extra $20k of BS folded into their 96 easy monthly payments.

BTW according to Fuelly, 3rd Gen Tundra owners are getting > 2.5 mpg more than 2nd Gen owners. YMMV.

 

pretty good post , truth

 

He is talking about experience as if its a V8 sports car they shoved a twin turbo v6 in - these are trucks - they do not have "feel". The steering is knumb and the ride is a bit floaty (more punishing in the 2nd gen imo). The only thing the V8 has - is the exhaust note - and even then i'd take cummins 6bt over a V8 anyday - and that truly has torque you can "feel".

 

Yes, it was slammed for poor fuel economy, low payload, and no updates.

Think about that. People wanted change apparently for its own sake. This idea that "updates always = improvements" mentality is slowly leaving the market, especially with younger buyers. I don't know anyone under 45 who wants a Capstone Tundra or a Platinum F150. They see that stuff as meaningless, expensive fluff that adds nothing to the value of a truck they are buying to do truck stuff.

I bought an SR5. I need a crewmax for my family. 38 gal tank is nice, too. I would rather have a front bench seat and column shift, but when I bought there were two options at a dealer 90 min from me, and I picked the lower trim option (the other was a Limited).

My oldest is so mad we don't get this truck in the US. This is what he wants. As it is, we're starting to look at FGTs.

 

Does the V35A output really matter? The payload and towing capacity of the 3rd gen, though better than the 2nd gen, is nothing to write home about.

 

I get all that , he is just a shitposter, nothing more

 

They "fixed" that problem in 2014 apparently. I had to get a throttle controller and use tow-haul to fix it back...

 

I'm in the same boat. Not sure what I'll do once enough is enough with my wife. I can drive an old piece of crap all day long.

 

I may be one of the few people who really doesn't think much about MPG. I am sure I hover around 10mpg. Luckily, my weekly commute to and from work is 60 miles total. I do think that if I got a new truck with a smaller engine, I would expect much better mileage. At least that's what their marketing team wants me to believe.

 

Fun fact. In 2023, with turbo charged cars dominating at Le Mans for decades, NASCAR competed with a naturally aspirated Chevy 358 small block with pushrods. The engine cranked out roughly 700 HP, and was the crowd's favorite due to its distinct roar as it rumbled past. They finished 39th out of a field of 62, and would have done much better if it wasn't for a failed transmission that had to be replaced late in the race.

If you haven't seen it, and enjoy racing, they did a documentary of the whole story called American Thunder. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

 

I remember that run - as with all Nascars it did sound glorious. Will have to give it a watch. Nascar engines have almost nothing in common with production engines anymore however - the days of "stock car" racing has been looong gone.

 

NASCAR engine won't be meeting any CAFE requirements though at 3mpg

 

My 2016 Gen 2.5 had a 3" lift, 34's, fiberglass camper shell: 13.5mpg

2025 G3, Factory TRD lift, 33.5's, smartcap, winch, stealth bumper: 14.5mpg. But it's much faster accelerating on the highway.

 

I get about 40-50 miles more range on 6 less gallons in my 24 vs 16. Lower emissions if that matters to you, seems reasonable to me. It also outperforms the v8 in every possible way imaginable, I live at 8000 ft and it is night and day. Unless you are worried about the sound it makes I suppose. I would prefer to not hear any engine noise and have a silent ride but to each there own

 

I used to live at high altitude and my old 4.6L V8 felt like it was getting warn out, much less power than when it was new. Then I moved to sea level and was shocked at how much more power it had. I would guesstimate it had ~30% more power at sea level.

 

Agreed. The benefits of forced air induction at elevation is often overlooked in these discussions. It makes a BIG difference in performance.

I'm also with you on the noise thing. I got over liking a loud exhaust in my 20s. I'd rather listen to my music, or sports talk radio, at a nice comfortable volume.

 

Except in the one metric nearly every single Toyota owner has forever held above all others:

Long term dependability.

OTHER THAN THAT…yes.

 

its too bad with this engine debris or whatever debacle, we dont even know what this engine could have been, there havent really been any other things going on with it so it remains to be seen, IF and WHEN toyota fixes the current deal how durable it can and will be.

but, first things, first, mothership has to unfuck this

but on the performance, ya, its pretty nice, moves this truck around like its nothing.

 

I think the best thing that might come of the V35A will be its successor. Akin to when in the late 80s/early 90s Toyota rolled out the 3vz (3.0L V6). It was their first V6 for trucks and SUVs and by Toyota standards a total flop. And after only a 7 year run came its successor, the legendary 5vz, which was an absolute tank and it had none of the common issues that plagued the earlier 3vz. Hopefully Toyota can repeat that cycle and once again offer the most reliable 1/2 ton truck on the market

 

Great post, and many of us are hoping that this is the case.
I for one have been very critical of the new Gen 3. After waiting like a kid on Christmas back in late '21, ordering a '22, declining that build and watching from afar, it seems like it's been a long, painful journey.

Really hope that Toyota makes this thing right or turns the leaf over into a new, typical Toyota-quality incarnation. I would still like to own one if the reliability is there. Watching the '27 threads already.

 

looping back


simply putting the 10 speed trans onto the 5.7L would get you a masterpiece.

refining the 5.7L a tad would be even more epic-er

 

Agreed. I remain a Toyota fan, despite this long-running issue and the bad look of Toyota's apparent cloud of secrecy surrounding it.

And I'm sure it absolutely kills my truck at altitude. I notice my truck is a little sluggish at 8-12k feet when I go to Colorado every year. Every time I go I think, "I'd really like a supercharger about right now..."

 

I think it would be really cool if/when someone figures out how to put the 8sp from the later 200s into a Tundra. There is some interesting chatter on the supercharger thread about this...

 

I get that but the 10 wouldn't do as much as you think, it still revs higher with a much lower amount of toque compared to everything else on the market.

so, I think if they wanted to still offer a V8, then need to punch it to 6.2, get the torque peak lower and then still offer a boosted hybrid to compete with the market.

just my rando babbling, which is meaningless, lol.

but 401 at 3,400 isnt going to get it done in todays market IMO

 

This is where I think market sentiment is changing. Whether it is enough to make a difference in the automakers' offerings remains to be seen.

I see younger buyers frustrated by issues in modern vehicles. There is a growing sentiment that planned obsolescence is baked in. They are returning to the principle that there is no such thing as a free lunch. People are spending more time looking for older (less powerful, less efficient) vehicles that were made better, that weren't tying themselves into knots to meet EPA guidelines. They're not basing purchasing decisions on "seat of the pants" feel as much as older buyers.

And for what a half ton is rated to pull and carry, 401 ft lb is more than adequate. Will it pull 7500 lb up a mountain as apparently effortlessly as a boosted v6? No. But it'll do the job successfully, and I think it is safe to say at this point it will do that job for longer than the boost v6.

I mean, you can get an F350 with a big V8 that puts out 475 ft lbs and is rated to pull 18k lbs. It doesn't need to feel "effortless" to get the job done and save the owner expensive headaches in the process.