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Towing advice for 2016 crewmax 5.7

Discussion in 'Towing & Hauling' started by golfbum, Mar 10, 2018.

  1. Mar 10, 2018 at 9:05 PM
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    I have read thread after thread and I’m dizzy trying to process all the opinions and information I have found.

    Long story short I want to purchase my first travel trailer, or toy hauler to be exact.

    My truck specs:

    Pl-1200
    Towing capacity-9400lbs

    Trailers I’m looking at are the Jayco octane 161 or 222.

    161 is 7500 loaded and 21 feet long
    222 is 8000 loaded and 26 feet long

    I’m sure my truck will pull either fine but there is not a lot of wiggle room and payload will be maxed or over with just wdh and family in the truck. Would you recommend I move on to a 3/4 truck??? The whole reason to get a trailer is to spend more time together as a family. I would rather be out a few thousand dollars then put mine or anyone else’s family in harms way.

    Would suck to have to get another truck as I paid my last payment just a month ago!!! Title in hand and only 25000 miles!
     
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    Ps....thanks!
     
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  3. Mar 10, 2018 at 9:29 PM
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  4. Mar 10, 2018 at 10:10 PM
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    Where the Tundra really falls on its face is payload, and this will most likely be your limiting factor.

    The 161 sure looks like a nice smaller TH. You think the Max Capacity will ever be used? 3000+lbs of toys is a lot.

    Weights & Measures
    Weights
    Unloaded Vehicle Weight (lbs) [​IMG] 4470
    Dry Hitch Weight (lbs) [​IMG] 635
    Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (lbs) [​IMG] 7500
    Cargo Carrying Capacity (lbs) [​IMG] 3030
    Measurements
    Exterior Length 20' 8"
    Exterior Width 102"
    Exterior Height with A/C 133 3/4"
    Interior Height 88 1/2"
    Wheel Base 174"
    Tank Capacities
    Fresh Water Capacity (gals) 53.2
    Water Heater 6
    Gray Waste Water Capacity (gals) 28
    Black Waste Water Capacity (gals) 45.4
    Other
    Sleeping Capacity 4

    So lets say you load up to the max of 7500 lbs. Usually, the tongue weight is 9-15% of total weight of the load being towed. 9% is 675 lbs and 15% is 1125 lbs. Your truck is rated for 980 lbs tongue weight. Your payload is 1430-1555 lbs depending on options.

    So lets get creative now with how you load the toy hauler and you don't get bad trailer sway at 11% total weight. That is 825 lbs.

    I'm going to say you have 1430 lbs of payload. 1430-825=605 lbs of extra capacity. Now minus anything in the bed of the truck, the passengers, dogs, etc. Does this add up to less or more than 605 lbs?

    This will determine if you are over or not.


    The 222, I'm thinking you may be close...but lest check. Some copy and paste is going to happen.

    Weights & Measures
    Weights
    Unloaded Vehicle Weight (lbs) [​IMG] 5445
    Dry Hitch Weight (lbs) [​IMG] 790
    Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (lbs) [​IMG] 8000
    Cargo Carrying Capacity (lbs) [​IMG] 2555
    Measurements
    Exterior Length 26' 5"
    Exterior Width 102"
    Exterior Height with A/C 135"
    Interior Height 88 1/2"
    Wheel Base 218 1/2"
    Tank Capacities
    Fresh Water Capacity (gals) 53.2
    Water Heater 6
    Gray Waste Water Capacity (gals) 45.4
    Black Waste Water Capacity (gals) 45.4
    Other
    Sleeping Capacity 6

    So lets say you load up to the max of 8000 lbs. Usually, the tongue weight is 9-15% of total weight of the load being towed. 9% is 720 lbs and 15% is 1200 lbs. Your truck is rated for 980 lbs tongue weight. Your payload is 1430-1555 lbs depending on options.

    So lets get creative now with how you load the toy hauler and you don't get bad trailer sway at 11% total weight. That is 880 lbs.

    I'm going to say you have 1430 lbs of payload. 1430-880=550 lbs of extra capacity. Now minus anything in the bed of the truck, the passengers, dogs, etc. Does this add up to less or more than 550 lbs?

    Well, it looks like you should be fine if it will be you and another person and the total weight is under 550 lbs.

    Take this with a grain of salt. In my experiences, the tongue weight is usually closer to 15%...so keep that in mind.
     
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  5. Mar 10, 2018 at 10:19 PM
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    I hear you and thank you for the response!

    Here is the real kicker.....my payload is 1240 minus 55 is dealer installed options!

    I have my wife, two kids, and a German Shepherd. I also live in Salt Lake City so will be towing at elevation and hills!
     
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  6. Mar 10, 2018 at 10:21 PM
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    I only plan on putting one atv (Suzuki 500) So should be on the lighter side of things but still with such a small payload I’m scared it might require a 3/4 ton.
     
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    I wish you lived closer. You could use my TH and see what you thought.

    We should redo the math. The one quad (assume it is a 4x4, so I'm going to say it is 550 lbs), and the shipping empty weight is usually so far off that it will make you question humanity. Now start adding options and the weight goes up significantly. Nonetheless, we can do this.

    Empty weight (with options) 161 ~5200 lbs+(food, clothing, etc) 500 lbs+550 lbs ATV= 6250 lb trailer weight. Now this can shift a bit depending on where you put the dog. I tow with my dogs in the camper. They have the whole toy hauler section to lay down in and sleep. However that is not a huge amount of weight.

    So now do the math on the rest since only you know how much the wife, kids, and dog weight.
     
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    This was my setup. 12 Tundra CM and 13 Keystone Outback 280RS

    http://www.rvguide.com/specs/keystone/toy-hauler/2013/outback/280rs.html

    The 6600 empty weight was BS, with options it was 7200+. Now go load 49 gallons of water, food, two large breed dogs, propane, Honda 3000uI Generator, bikes, etc. The camper usually would hit 8100+lbs which is overweight for the camper, and I have never loaded a toy in this damn thing.

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    Welcome! Hope you find what your looking for and have safe travels.
    Oh and congrats on paying of your tundra already :thumbsup:
     
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  10. Mar 11, 2018 at 6:45 AM
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    One last thing, if you do decide to go with a bigger truck, skip the 3/4 ton and go 1 ton SRW.
    :thumbsup:
     
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    What is everyone’s opinion on the 6.2l gasser from Ford?

    I have liked my tundra and understand Toyota makes a great vehicle but honestly I think most companies do and I do believe Ford knows what they are doing when it comes to work trucks.

    This won’t be a daily driver unless it’s bad roads in the winter and I won’t ever own a trailer bigger then 26’ As I like to hunt and wouldn’t want anything bigger (would rather smaller) to pull in the places I travel.
     
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  12. Mar 11, 2018 at 7:21 AM
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    I have an 2015 F250 work truck with the 6.2L.

    Fortunately, it has a huge fuel tank.
     
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    I just got back from towing mine this morning to the dealer for repair (It is 24ft averaging around 8000lbs with gear and tanks not empty). I had a Ram 2500 and 3500 and I am very pleased with the towing capability of the Tundra. I think a lot has to do with the gearing and I installed Sumosprings load leveling. I know the Sumosprings won’t increase load capacity,.....but we have a lot of frost heaves and I had little to no bouncing.

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    This^
     
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  15. Mar 14, 2018 at 8:20 PM
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    I definitely agree with that. I spent most of Saturday with my Winnebago 29 ft TT at a truck stop with a CAT scale setting up my WDH. My camper with empty water tanks is about 5800 lb with 888 lb tongue weight which is over 15%. The fresh water tank is slightly in front of the axles so this would go up higher if it was full. Winn says dry tongue weight is 660 lb, but I guess they don’t include the propane tanks, propane, or battery that sit on the tongue. Because the only stuff I’ve added in the front of my TT is a couple folding camp chairs and the water hoses and electrical cables in my pass through storage. Other manufacturers probably do the same.

    I adjusted my WDH to get my front axle back up to it’s no-trailer weight, which also shifts 160 lb back to the trailer axles. That helps some but even so on my Limited DC with the remaining tongue weight, plus hitch, and dealer installed running boards and bed liner, I’m only 280 lb under GVWR with nobody but me in the truck and an empty bed.
     
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    Thanks for everyone’s help!

    I’m still not sure what I’m going to do. Really want to keep the tundra and figure out a trailer that will work with it! Went and looked at a 2017 f250 6.7 xlt and while I liked how the truck drove I just don’t feel quite right about it. I’m also looking at 6.2 2013 f350 lariat that I actually like more then the 250 diesel but I don’t want to make the same
    Mistake and buy a smaller truck (engine wise) and find out I need or want more.......


    If the payload on my tundra was just 3-4 pounds more I wouldn’t even be looking!!!
     
  17. Mar 15, 2018 at 5:33 AM
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    I hear ya - my biggest disappointment with the Tundra is the payload, very wimpy. I would go with Ford if you make the switch.
     
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    6.2 has or 6.7 diesel?

    I won’t be using the truck to pull more then 8500lbs and will probably only be pulling 6-10 times a year.
     
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    Found a nice Chevy 2500hd 6.0, thoughts?

    Or do I keep my tundra get the smaller TH and chance going over payload by 1-300 pounds? I have no issue upgrading tires and adding airbags if needed or suggested.

    The 6.0 is rated at 13k with a payload of 3100 or something like that.......a lot beefier of a truck
     
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    Tundra payload capacity sucks. I tow a small travel trailer with 4500# loaded weight and it maxes me out. 1300# payload - 600# tongue weight = 700# left for me, wife, 3 kids and some bikes in the bed. Luckily, we are not big people. But as my kids grow, I’ll be putting the bikes in the trailer instead so more weight is distributed to the tandem axles.
     
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    I hear ya!

    My crewmax is #1180, I figure about the same 6-700 for tongue weight. 1-150 for wd hutch and I am left with 4-500 max. Add the wife and I and the two boys and we are maxed out for sure! Zero In the bed and those are best case #s for the TH
     
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    I guess you have to prioritize - having the bigger trailer or keeping the truck you have paid for. I got my trailer for the same reason as you - to spend time with my family. We rented a 21 ft for a long trip before buying our 29 ft, and with 2 parents and 2 kids the 21 ft got small quick. We’re happy owning the bigger one but ours isn’t a toy hauler so it’s a little lighter and we can (barely) get away with it with the Tundra. I definitely wouldn’t feel comfortable going too far overweight. I’m planning to get some E rated tires and Firestone airbags when I can since I’ll always be right around max when towing.

    I’ve driven Chevys and Fords but bought the Tundra after driving Land Cruisers around in Africa and the Middle East. You cannot beat the reliability of a V8 Toyota drivetrain. But I sure wish the payload numbers were higher.
     
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    I don’t include the wdh weight since it shifts some of the tongue weight back towards the camper’s axle. But maybe I’m just telling myself that so I sleep better at night. However, the tundra handles all of it very well and I never feel out of control.
     
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    It definitely does shift some weight back to the trailer. On the scale this weekend, I weighed my truck by itself, truck with trailer but weight distribution not connected, and full connected Equalizer WDH. By hooking up weight distribution my rear axle got 640 lbs lighter, front axle got 400 lbs heavier (back to truck only weight), and my trailer got 240 lbs heavier. And the hitch weighs about 75 lbs.
     
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    Tough call man. You have no Real reason to get a diesel, that is for sure with only towing the little bit you do. I can barely justify it and have 20700 miles on my truck in 1.5 years. 85% is towing. I guess the only way I can justify it is my loads are more than what any 1/2 ton, and in some situations 3/4 tons can handle.

    I personally like the GMs a little better. They ride nicer, have better interiors, have a beefier front end, and the 6.0L is a workhorse. If you do get the GM, ensure it has the 4.10 gear ratio, or you will be hating life.

    This being said, I will be honest with you, since that is what this site is about.

    I wouldn’t be to concerned about a couple hundred pounds max. However, I would get the camper you want and make your decision from there.

    My work truck is a base model, 2015 F250 CC 6.2L truck. The 6.2L is de-tuned from what is offered in the Raptor. A tuner really wakes these trucks up though. Hint hint.
    This is a basic truck, and I would own it. 12000 lbs tow rating, 19k combined weight rating, 3027 lbs load capacity.
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    Then again, when TFL trucks tested the 6.2L F250 on their tow tests it broke down. Lol

    What is sad, is this Kubota has a 1631 lbs load capacity.
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