Somethings not Right?

So I decided to have my 2020 SR5 double cab 4X4 weighted to see what the real world payload is. Truck weights in at 6283lbs. The only thing that has been added to the truck are a spray in bed liner, bed mat, hard tonneau cover and a set of aluminum running boards. The GVWR is 7099lbs so that would leave only 813lbs for payload. That would mean if 4 average guys were in the truck I could be overloaded. That's not making any kind of sense to me. My load capacity sticker on the door says 1320lbs. There's no way that my accessories weigh 507lbs. My SR5 has the larger fuel tank that was full when the truck was weighted.

 

Were you in the vehicle when it got weighed?
Do you have different wheels or tires? Even OEM upgrades from the dealer should be considered...

 

Stock Michelin tires on stock aluminum rims and I was in the vehicle when it was weighted. It's really hard for me to believe that adding some very common accessories would result it a truck that can be over payload by just putting four average size guys in the truck. I pull a TT that has a hitch weight of 550lbs and with me and the wife with a generator in the bed I'm over. If I were to put just my 400lbs sled in the bed and two guys and a little gear I'm over. Hell, my Camry would have almost the same payload which I can put 4 adults in and not be over payload. It's no wonder most just ignore the payload.

 

So there is your answer.

Stock trim no accessories - 7099 GVWR minus 1320 payload = 5,779 truck weight

Your truck with you in it - 6,283 minus 5,779 = 504 lbs

Your accessories don't weigh 504 pounds, your accessories weigh whatever 504 minus your weight equals.

All that to say..yeah it sucks but it is what it is and most half ton trucks similarly equipped will be similar payload capacity to what yours is.

 

Threads like this are making me seriously consider selling my Tundra and getting a Sierra 1500 with the max trailering package.

 

Haha, there is a bunch of these threads floating around. These are the new what kind of mileage or what oil to use. My truck weighs 6,340 stock. I am in the same boat as OP and other posters. Most I would hook behind a 1/2 ton is 5,000 lbs and not just Tundras. Can it pull and move 9,300 lbs. Sure it can! You run out of payload way before you can ever tow the ratings 1/2 tons say they can tow.

I was looking at campers for several months. If you want to stay legal..... Most you can really tow is one of the 3,400 lb. single axle 18 ft. trailers after adding in wife, 2 kids, and a little gear. Again legally.....

Many people go over but if you are ever in an accident pulling these trailers no matter what happen or who was at fault you just became responsible regardless...

When you really look at comparable built crew cab domestics, they do not have much more payload than the Tundra.

 

When I bought my Tundra the first thing I did was add Sumo Spring in the rear. On the weekend I had to pick up some flooring at Home Depot. I loaded the truck with 1,000lbs of weight. I couldn't even tell it was back there and the truck sat level. So I was over payload by 300lbs to 400lbs and I didn't die. I really think the payload on the Tundra is ultra conservative and the weak rear springs causes the lower payload. Like I already said it's really messed if you throw on some accessories then four guys get into the truck your over payload. Essentially most of these truck would be running around over payload. Most owners will just ignore the payload number and use the Tundra like a truck and not like a Camry.

 

I use to have a Silverado and it was a piece of poo. Misfires on cylinder #7 from oil contamination and constant oil leaks that could never be repaired. Dumped it before the warranty was up. The Silverado had a higher payload than the Tundra but its brakes were terrible on the Silverado. Always had long stopping distance pulling my 4K boat and the Tundra stops it much quicker.

 

This may be true for the average truck on the lot but you can spec a GM or Ford with a heavy duty payload package with more than 2000 lbs of payload.

 

If I was only towing a boat, I wouldn't be concerned but I bought this truck to tow a travel trailer for my family.

 

I have a decked and an are cap and some other stuff. My truck weighed about 6700 without me in it. I guarantee there are a lot of people over payload and don’t know it. I used to have a 4500# TT and I know I was well over my payload several times. Now I know better when loading up my truck.

 

I also tow a 5K trailer without any issues and handling is great. I wouldn't be concerned.

 

What TT is that?

 

2018 Coachman 204RD

 

Now that, is a proper WDH setup. The audience will notice there is NO sag, in fact, I'm still seeing a slight rake . That stance is with at least 550 pounds tongue weight per @Ruggybuggy. Do you think you're over payload there, Ruggy?

Edit: Ah, maybe those Sumo springs are the reason for the slight rake.

 

I suspect @Ruggybuggy is right about the Tundra having soft springs to make the ride nice for most daily driving owners. If you test drive one of those "heavy duty payload" packages, check out the ride for your around town driving.

 

I did test drive a 2018 Sierra 1500 with NHT but not very far because of the greasy, asshole salesman. The biggest thing I noticed was just how it felt when accelerating with that 3.73 rear end. Even the 4.30 in my Tundra feels less like a big truck.

 

I did spend time and measured everything on a flat level piece of payment. Truck is down on the back a little less than half way from no WD bars. Front measurement was close to the same without the trailer attached. Sorry I don't remember the exact numbers. The picture is deceiving because the trucks nose is in a little bit of a drop. I have two large batteries on the front of the trailer so my hitch weight with the two propane tanks full is around 550lbs. I also carry a 3.5K watt generator in the back with some spare gas which is around 120lbs. Add the dog the wife and myself and I'm overweight. If you go by the door sticker I'm still good. The truck pulls the camper very well and stops quickly. I use to pull the 204RD with a '18 Tacoma I had before and it also pulled it find but struggled in the mountains so I bought the Tundra. I plan on going to a 5th wheel next year that will have a hitch weight around 1,100lbs. Yes I will be over payload but I would rather have 1.1K in the bed that 600lbs on the bumper.

Here's a better picture showing how the truck sits.

 

I second this ! I previously owned a 2015 Sierra 1500 , the truck was garbage in so many ways , I also traded it in before warranty was up . The only realistic suggestion is to look into a 3/4 truck to achieve true improvements in payload and towing capacity . I vote Super Duty with the 7.3 gas engine !

 

From my research a proper setup wd hitch is supposed to have a tiny bit of sag to the rear with the trailer sitting level , you do not want to have the weight over distributed to the front axle of the truck , WD hitch manufactures usually suggest stock ride height or no more than 3/4 of an inch (ish) sag in the rear with the wd engaged.
That is how I set up my hitch up and it performs great . exact measurements may differ per hitch manufacturer

 

I think you'll be alright.

 

Such a dumb comparison. The only tongue weigh on that truck is whatever that a frame weighs, so maybe a couple hundred lbs.

 

I wonder what the mpg was?

 

Ah, I see you don't have a sense of humor. Have you ever considered a career in politics, or Possibly law?

 

sorry I did see the humor or sarcasm in your post. I’ve seen that picture posted seriously one to many times.

 

I understand, it's not too complicated. Adjust WDH for stock ride height in the front, and whatever results in the rear is what you have.

I'm just trying to figure out why some of these trucks are sagging so obviously under tongue weight if the WDH has been set up properly, and if the payload isn't being exceeded?

 

yeah you got it , I agree its gotta be the wd is way to out to lunch , I see countless trucks towing trailers that look like their hitch was setup by Ray Charles lol

 

* gpm

 

Having a WDH doesn't mean the tongue weight for every trailer is now equal. A trailer w/tongue weight of 700#s v. 400#s is going to sag more even w/WDH.

 

No, a WDH will not reduce your tongue weight by 300 pounds, or actually by any amount. Your loaded trailer's tongue weight is whatever it is.

BUT...a WDH will permit you to transfer some of that 700 pounds to the front axle (subject to front GAWR and suspension height), which will reduce the amount of the 700 pounds carried by the rear suspension, which should reduce any rear sag.

My question is: If the 700 pound tongue weight, passengers, cargo and gear has not exceeded the truck's payload rating (optimistic for 700 TW), then why would the rear be sagging? Has Toyota designed a saggy azz truck at or below payload rating? Do owners not know how to adjust/setup a WDH, or did they trust someone at an RV store do it right? Are owners disregarding the payload limit? Curious.