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Some Honest MPG Numbers. No BS.

Discussion in '2nd Gen Tundras (2007-2013)' started by MajorC, Jan 14, 2019.

  1. Jan 14, 2019 at 12:47 PM
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    I am the new owner (3 months) of a 2007 Tundra TRD SR5 5.7 Double Cab with factory tow package. I recently found this truck with only 40,000 miles, It is like new in every way. The previous couple only used it to tow a camper several times a year while on vacation. My previous truck was a Ford F-150 extended cab with 4.6 Triton V-8.

    Almost every comment I get is,"Nice truck, but MPG is going to disappoint you." I have watched a hundred videos online and read several hundred posts about Tundra MPG and there is a lot of misinformation out there and a lot of enhancement products that don't deliver. Here are some numbers of mine and how they came about.

    I just put on a set of Kelly light truck/SUV all terrain tires (within my budget) running at 36psi. I switched to Mobile 1, 0-20W full synthetic oil. I'm going to switch to 5-20W in warmer weather. I switched out the rear differential fluid to Mobile 1 as well.

    Every month I go on a 3 day extended road trip with lots of interstate driving. All my MPG tests are done from low fuel light to low fuel light. (one complete tank) First month of driving before fluid changes my total tank average was 16.9 mpg. Last week I drove from SC to Florida and back. I filled up with an off brand gas and went with a higher octane-89 mid-grade. My average was 16.9 - 17.0 mpg. I drive the speed limit and use cruise control, at 70mph, 1/2 the time and 1/2 time without. My second tank of gas I went with Shell regular 87 octane and averaged 17.1 mpg. For my third tank of gas I filled up with BP "Invigorate" regular 87 octane and I averaged 17.2 mpg.

    The higher octane fuel gave the worst milage and I noticed zero difference in engine response. I have read that cold ram air kits are hit or miss on MPG performance and they need to be paired with an exhaust system. I will probably go with a K&N low restriction type box filter to see if this helps. Next weekend I'm going to spend the extra $$ and fill up with non-ethanol fuel just to see the MPG results.

    So here are some observations which makes me even more of a Toyota Tundra loyal brand owner. My brother-in-law, an engineer, is a Ford F-150 loyal owner, 2008 extended cab, and we parked next to each other and did a side by side spec comparison.

    Ford F-150 4.6 Triton V8 =248 hp @ 4,750Rpm vs Tundra SR5 5.7 = 381 hp @ 5,600 rpm.
    His best total MPG with 3.73 diff gears is 17.0 MPG. I have 4.30 diff gears and I'm getting 17.2!
    F-150 has 4 speed transmission vs Tundra SR5 with 6 speed transmission.
    F-150 weighs 4,971 lbs vs Tundra SR5 Double Cab 5,220 lbs.
    F-150 came with OEM Class III hitch towing capacity 7,000 lbs. SR5 came with OEM Class IV/V towing hitch with towing capacity of 10,000 lbs.
    My SR5 has factory oil and transmission coolers and special brake package.

    Bottom line, I'm driving a high performance double overhead cam engine, 5.7 with plenty of reserve power in a much beefier platform than the comparable Ford F-150 model. Tundra has thicker seats and more legroom in the back seat area. Not sure how Toyota manages to squeeze 17+ MPG out of the Tundra for what you get.Tundra.MPG.1.jpg Tundra.MPG.2.jpg
     
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  2. Jan 14, 2019 at 12:56 PM
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    I'm just impressed the math actually matches the computer. I've never owned a vehicle where the computer actually gave accurate MPG numbers compared to filling it up and doing the math.

    I thought the new Ford trucks were getting closer to 20+MPG. Is that not the case?
     
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  3. Jan 14, 2019 at 12:56 PM
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    Is your SR5 a 5.7 or 4.6?
     
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    I get anywhere from 14.5 to 16.2 I try to always go with non-ethanol which I then get about 15.5

    I drive almost 100miles a days. Yeah its not getting what my Silverado was (17-18) but my truck also isnt in the shop or feel like the transmission is going to kick me through the windshield so I am happy. This is also with a 250lb cap, roughly 150+ lbs in the bed, a 100lb dog and heavier load range E tires.
     
  5. Jan 14, 2019 at 12:57 PM
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    Anybody know how to reduce the size of the two pics above? I clicked on "thumbnail" instead of full size and they are still huge. Thanks.
     
  6. Jan 14, 2019 at 12:59 PM
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    I went back and added 5.7 V8 in a few places. Thanks.
     
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    From what I'm seeing tires can be a huge factor. I went to an airboat race in Florida last week and saw well over a hundred trucks in the parking lot. 80% were lifted with large oversize tires extending beyond the fenders. These trucks passed me on I-95 like I was standing still at 70 mph. If you get 12mpg with these modifications and driving habits it is what is to be expected.
     
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    On a trip from home here in BC, to the Portland area, a bit of the Oregon coast, and back home via inland WA, I averaged 18.4 mpg US. hand calculated. Dash display read 18.2 average IIRC. That's on stock Michelin tires.

    I can't touch that with my 275/20R18 LR E Duratracs, but it still ain't to bad if you behave. Like any vehicle that is in good condition, the brake pedal is the killer of good fuel economy, drive so you don't have to touch it, and the numbers get better.
     
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  9. Jan 14, 2019 at 1:11 PM
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    Law323 Yes, Gorilla beats T-Rex EVERYTIME!!

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    The math is usually wrong by a little on MPG tech. Best way to do it would be by hand. There’s usually a few gallons left in the tank when the light goes off

    I have a 3/1 with 33” tires and regularly get 15-17 mpg, depending on amount of time on city or highway roads and how hard I drive. This is with a 4.6 complete with tow pkg.
    the difference with a 5.7 and 4.6 is negligible until you get to towing. 4-5k towing pulled my MPG down to 12 on highway trips. With a 5.7, it wouldn’t be that drastic with the same load.

    Ford has seriously overhyped their mpg capabilities and has done so for a while. My cousin has said as such driving an F150 for 6 years. The difference between a ford and tundra isn’t really as big as some make them out to be.
     
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    Yes, those numbers are about right :D:D
     
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    Law323 Yes, Gorilla beats T-Rex EVERYTIME!!

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    Yeah, bigger tires = more weight + more ground contact = lower MPG

    Higher lift = more air resistance = lower MPG

    Same with driving like you stole it.
     
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    If you read my post I'm comparing my 2007 Tundra SR5 to my brother-in-laws 2008 F-150 with his known MPG. I have no idea, first hand, what new F-150's are getting. I checked my milage manually several times with gas receipts and calculator and my onboard computer figures were exactly the same.
     
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    Blueknights75 Are you getting those 19 mpg's with a 5.7 or 4.6? Thanks.
     
  15. Jan 15, 2019 at 11:28 AM
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    2019 tundra Limited with K&N Air Filter - stock truck - I am getting 14.1 according to the computer and 13.5 based on my calculations. And I drive a lot of highway miles. Avg speed is probably 75-80 range on the highway with 90% cruise control.
     
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    Just helping you out OP.
     
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    "Ford has seriously overhyped their mpg capabilities and has done so for a while. My cousin has said as such driving an F150 for 6 years. The difference between a ford and tundra isn’t really as big as some make them out to be."[/QUOTE]

    If you look at the Ford F-150 "bragging ads" in all the magazines you will see a little asterisk. They are using the V6 turbo boost with the all new aluminum body to boost their average MPG's. The aluminum body shaved a whopping 750 lbs off the truck. (I'm on the fence on this, not a bad thing) The dealer had my 2007 SR5 TRD 5.7 priced $3,000.00 more than a loaded F-150 20016 V6 Turbo they had. The dealer is having a hard time moving the Ford ecoboost. Do some research and you will find a lot of unhappy owners with this turbo setup. The market speaks for itself.
     
  18. Jan 15, 2019 at 11:48 AM
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    Law323 Yes, Gorilla beats T-Rex EVERYTIME!!

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    I already know the market is unhappy with the twin turbos. They’ve been almost nothing but problems.

    As far as the aluminum body, it’s cool to a certain extent, but can also be argued that it sucks.
    Honestly, other than a few OCD people, most don’t pay attention to the barely noticeable asterisk and the little “disclaimer” at the bottom in .2 size format. That’s marketing for people (most of who don’t know any better or don’t care)
    As for the market, many people say ford is the biggest seller in America, that is largely in part to fleet trucks. You see white fleet fords (and Chevy) all over the roads and very few tundras. Number don’t lie, but they do leave out impertinent information.
    I’m not saying Tundras have better MPG than Fords, but when you hit real life numbers, there isn’t as big of a gap as they lead you to believe is my point.

    Numbers and stats can be skewed, real life experiences cannot. Go check some ford forums and you’ll see entirely more problems mentioned than you will here. (Disclaimer: the tundra DOES and WILL have problems as per anything manmade, but it’s reliability is uncontested)

    And also, Toyota’s hold their value much more and longer than fords do. There’s a reason for this.

    Brass tacks: you didn’t get your tundra for the MPG did you?
    If it bothers you that much, the solution is simple, pony up and get you some hardware to increase your mpg, or get a Ford, Chevy, etc. your money, your choice brother.
     
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    2.7L eco boost sucks, I had it... but with stock tires it gets insane MPG. I could do 23-25 if all highway going 70MPh. Once I leveled and put 275/70 18’s I got 18-19 all highway.

    3.5L eco boost is much better, still good mileage and they worked out most of the kinks unlike the smaller engine.

    5.0L with 10-speed auto. Had this as a loaner while getting truck fixed after someone rear ended me. 19-20MPg on Highway. Didn’t enjoy 10spd in city driving because it would skip gears but on the highway it was so damn smooth. But say you pull out of a parking lot, it’ll skip from 2nd to 4th or 5th gear to save fuel and cause your head to dip forward as it briefly slows down. When I first had it I thought it was dying.
     
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    I have owned 2 Tacomas and 1 Tundra and my observation is that the Toyotas come in much closer to the MPGs on the sticker. I think the EPA gets kickbacks from the big3
     
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    I have a 2010 5.7 CM with 107k on the ticker and a TRD supercharger. I live in Houston and got 17.6 on my last trip over the holidays to north Louisiana at 75mph using cruise most of the way. I got 18.4 on the way back but I attribute that to less windy day and better quality fuel. Now if I get into the S/C often the gas needle and the speedo needle seem to go the same speed so I only use those 500+ horses when I need em and I have to use 91 octane or higher.
     
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    That’s what I’ve found too. In all honesty, MPG doesn’t bother me unless I’m getting single digits per gallon, then yeah, I’d be pissed, but hey that ain’t the case LOL
     
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    Right now the computer says I'm at 12 mpg, its probably closer to 11. Winter gas, longer warmups, I rarely drive on the highway.
    In the summer I get 14-15. Best i have gotten on a mostly highway road trip was about 16.
     
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    On a recent 3,000 mile road trip I got a consistent 19.3 MPG locked in at 70 MPH. That's about the same as I got in my 2002 V6 Tacoma (19.9 Average).
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    Driving around sight-seeing at the destination dropped it down to 14± for those trips - constant stop and go driving. I cannot complain about the highway MPGs though.
     
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    Also, The truck was loaded like a Tetris game in the bed, and 5 adults inside. I imagine an empty vehicle might see slightly better numbers.
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    I just found these pics from our trip in the summer. Loaded with luggage and 4 adults, locked in at 65 MPH on the highway we got 21 MPG.
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    My '13 just turned 70k, leveled, stock size tires, pedal commander and I'm averaging 16.2 to 16.7 on winter blend fuel. My daily commute is about 6 miles back roads at 35 to 45 mph and 12 miles highway at 70 to 75 mph. Friday was a black ice day and at 40 mph on the highway in 4hi I still averaged 16. I pull customers vehicles in and out of my shop every day, Fords, Chevys, Rams, Nissans. In the trucks with an mpg display, I rarely see one that's doing much better than mine, if at all. Granted, I don't know how or where those guys drive but I'm pretty confident that they aren't getting the 19, 20, 21 on their window stickers.
     
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    Not nearly enough room here!
    Well, that's usually what 'throws' some of us....(Reading The Post), but to be fair, I do have a 10th grade education, so I may have an unfair advantage! :eek2::devil:
     
  30. Jan 15, 2019 at 3:22 PM
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    JBSTOY

    JBSTOY Was tired, so I woke up.

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    Jack
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    Vehicle:
    2008 Toyota Tundra SR5 4x4 5.7litres of goodness
    Bilstein 6112s Front Bilstein Rear Fuel Rims
    You are getting great mileage. Way better than I get. My best right now is 15 mpg. I have 172k on the odometer and slightly larger than stock tires. I’m running 275/75/18 tires. Otherwise the same truck as yours. Glad you like it.
     

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