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Ridge grappler

Discussion in 'Wheels & Tires' started by Joeshaker, Mar 15, 2017.

  1. Mar 15, 2017 at 7:24 PM
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    So, as a lot of you have seen my posts about the trac situation I've been having. I put the stock wheels and tires(size) back on yesterday. First drive, trac was still going off. Drove it today with no issues. I guess the computer needs time to think about it. Any how, it looks like the Exo grappler in the 285/70/18 just doesn't work right for my truck. 2nd gen thing? My truck is just a sensitive bitch? Guy at discount seems to think it has to good of grip. Compound and width. So, he's ordering me a set of Ridge grappler in 275/70/18. Does that seem like a good plan? I'll lose.5" in width(stock) and .75" height(1"more than stock) I'm wondering how much different the compound is. That is what Lotsoftoys may be the problem, not the size. I could try it with 285/65/18 but I'm worried that if the size is a contributing factor it may still be a problem.
     
  2. Mar 15, 2017 at 9:03 PM
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    How could too much grip cause a problem? Wheels spinning is a problem caused by lack of grip, wheels not spinning means they have enough grip.
    There is either enough grip or not enough grip. No such thing as too much grip.
     
  3. Mar 15, 2017 at 9:07 PM
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    That's what I said and airing down to 25 helped. Wouldn't that be adding grip?
     
  4. Mar 15, 2017 at 9:22 PM
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    Im very confused by this. Traction control goes on with slipping not added grip. I call BS.
     
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    Well, the tech that rode with me with techstream said it was the wheel speeds front to back and side to side were outside of the parameters so nanny yota thinks she needs to step in to prevent a slide. So, somehow the tires are causing it. No issues before the switch, back to normal after switching back.
     
  6. Mar 15, 2017 at 9:27 PM
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    Wheel sensor broke?
     
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    Lowering the pressure changed the diameter of the tire.
     
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    Just my luck like I said. I got stuck with the sensitive one. Jace thinks it's got something to do with the compound. Local tech scratched his head and agreed.
     
  9. Mar 15, 2017 at 9:28 PM
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    Larger tires, try the hypertec speedo calibrator
     
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    Is it applying brakes when cornering?
     
  11. Mar 15, 2017 at 9:35 PM
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    Yeah, tire diameter is a possibility. But if that's the case. Why am I the only one? When I'm running a 34 inch and tons of guys have taller? Wheel sensors didn't show up on techstream, just wheel speed difference is to great. Already posed this question and it doesn't make sense either. Could the stiffness of airbags and sway bar be causing the front to dive more with the 6112's and stock sway bar? If so, why normal before the tires without the bags and back to normal with bags and back to the pansy tires?
     
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    Maybe it's just because I got a thirteen! Hope it wasn't built on a Friday!
     
  13. Mar 15, 2017 at 9:40 PM
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    Sometimes I can feel the brakes engaging. Mostly it's just the abs kicking noise. I talked to hypertech, Speedo calibrater does not communicate with the ecu. It just ties in between the transfer case and Speedo.
     
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    Have you tried disconnecting both battery terminals for at least 30 min? My buddy who is a mechanic has mentioned they sometimes disconnect the cables and touch them together which supposedly cuts all the juice in the system for a total reset.

    Disclaimer: try at your own risk
     
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    I'm going to put the stockers back on tomorrow and add more pressure to see if that changes anything. Pumping them up higher than necessary, reducing grip and see what that does. I can't afford to throw a bunch of money at it right now and it looks like there isn't a fix for this. Aside from the tires. If I am going to get discount to swap them out. I've gotta do it quick.
     
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    I had a '10 that had VSC problems. VSC kicked in on corners where I know it shouldn't have. It got to the point where I'd turn off the nannies whenever I got in the truck. That truck had bags and a spacer when I bought it. I think it had BFG AT 285 65 18.
     
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    Yeah, I've heard a couple guys say that. But your just resetting to the same parameters that cannot be changed. Don't see that solving anything.
     
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    Did you get to the root cause of this problem? Or did you just give and that's why you went through the hassle of turning it off everytime. I don't want to go through that pain in the ass procedure forever.
     
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    It seems like there are some trucks like mine that have angry nannies. I've heard that just the e rated tires can confuse the trac. Guess I'll find out if this swap happens. I have a feeling discount is going to turn around and try to get me for a bunch more$. In which case I'll have these for sale.20170314_170948.jpg
     
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    Neither toyota or my mechanic had a solution. Later I thought maybe a recalibration. Now I think it's a misalignment of the sensors. I'm guessing they're "reading" some spot on the wheel. If from left to right, they're reading at a different distance from the center of the wheel, they're gonna be off. That should show up on the techstream when driving straight, they should read precisely the same, any difference will be multiplied when cornering. I never did get mine fixed, I got a new truck. But that conundrum still bugs me and I still think about it.
     
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    Dang, good looking tires too.
     
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    I could try running techstream again with the stockers back on it and run it down a straight road. Don't think Dave got much data on the road we were on before. I don't know if he'll want to though. Kinda made him sick, after dark, going around corners and staring at a laptop got to him.
     
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    Amado, did this start right when you got new tires? Did you do anything else at the same time? Lift, spacers, bags, anything?
     
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    Hey Joon, yeah it started right away. I added the airbags after the tires and dropped the shackles down from 1.5 to 1 inch to stay at 1.5 with the bags and to keep the bags within spec. I had @LOTSOFTOYS do the zpc and alignment after that. I wish I'd gone back to discount right away. But I had crunched my bumper into another customers car in their parking lot the day before having them put the tires on. The truck sat at home for a month before spending a month dealing with the body shop. They couldn't get the trd sticker or the parking sensors right. Then I was chasing a rubbing issue that wasn't. Between work and weather its now been four months. Hope they take care of me, I'll find out tomorrow. Dang it all, I love the the tires. They look perfect, now I've got to get little weenie tires. LOL, their really not that much smaller and won't suck quite as much gas.
     
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    Almost 1:00 here, staying up late to try to prepare for working nights for a week. That's going to be fun! Going to bed now, it'll be easier to stay awake when I'm working.
     
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    I think that this is it. You have tires that at higher pressure flex the belts differently tire to tire. Effectively you are running a couple of different tire sizes. Your traction control does not like the variation in wheel speed that this creates.
     
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    So, do you think that it's the tires themselves and not the size? Just talked to discount and they're thinking that to. He's thinking I should get away from the Nitto and go with a bfg ko2 maybe in the 285/65/18. That size difference would barely be noticeable. But would it be enough to solve the problem?
     
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    I'm rolling the same size tire and the rear looks a bit tiny IMO. 285/70r18 is a good tire but "too much grip"? I've never heard of a tire being just that badass ya know. The way my truck sits now, there's a lot of wheel well space in the rear.
     
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    Yeah, the other guy at discount doesn't think it's from to much grip. He's thinking maybe it's the sidewall flex making the outside front squishing down throwing off the wheel speed differential. That theory makes a lot more sense. So, maybe I should try a different brand. The ridge grappler probably uses the same casing as the exo and has been around for a long time. While both Nittos are less than a year old.
     

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