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New Diesel for Dodge / Why not Toyota

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by Nowhereman, Sep 9, 2021.

  1. Sep 9, 2021 at 7:12 AM
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    Nowhereman

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    A friend just bought a 21 Dodge pick up a few weeks ago. Not much to look at; white, not much trim but, he purchased it with a diesel. Not a Cummins though, some Japanese brand I never heard of.
    Six cylinder with some kind of ECO run design. He couldn't tell me more but, he's getting 32 mpg in that thing and he says it's got a ton of torque right off idle.
    Why doesn't Toyota offer us a diesel option? There are Diesel engine manufactures all over the place so it isn't like re-inventing the wheel.
     
  2. Sep 9, 2021 at 7:18 AM
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    Toyota has said they have no intention of doing a diesel in the US because of the emissions standards. EGRs, DEF, and the like have hammered diesel reliability. The days of the trouble free 500K mile diesels are a thing of the past. Especially in a daily driver with a bunch of short trips. That shit's hard on any diesel, and worse on the new ones.
     
  3. Sep 9, 2021 at 7:28 AM
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    This ^^^. Toyota's #1 asset is their reputation for reliability. They're not going to chance that one iota here in The States on a fools mission.
     
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    The Ecodiesel V6 is an Italian design, given that RAM is now a part of Stellantis, formerly known as Fiat Chrysler Automobiles. Maybe the Japanese brand he's talking about is the Aisin transmission.

    https://youtu.be/l8_LWH73U9k
     
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    Ericbike6 So we're doing this shit today?

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    But one has to wonder, does he have the plastic upper control arms in the front suspension?
     
  6. Sep 9, 2021 at 10:30 AM
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    LOL most would be happy with 300k trouble free.
    Doean't wash with the US masses dude.
     
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    ya said it all! I feel like the diesel emission laws in the US only support big 3 trucks with horrible reliability so that they can sell more.
     
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    Too many, but not enough....
    I agree, what good is 32mpg when your italian owned dodge is in the shop half its life.
     
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    Yep, exactly.
    Buddy has a 2014 Ram ecodiesel, he's on his 2nd engine and is back in the shop this week getting the full EGR system replaced for the 3rd time.
     
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    To mask what others have said (total POS), they actually can't tow much either since the capacity is soaked up with all the emissions equipment.

    I have had two buddies with the EcoDiesels and I would not recommend one. One of the equipment operators that I was getting boulders from this year had one as a company vehicle. He was at 40K miles and had a new motor at 18K miles on it and just had the complete emissions system replaced.

    If you are already paying a premium for a diesel option, get one with some balls. The whole 1/2 ton diesel argument makes no sense to me at all.
     
  11. Sep 9, 2021 at 11:48 AM
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    A coworker of mine had one of those eco-diesel‘s. Let’s just say he only had it for about six months. Didn’t really give him any problems but he was not impressed. Also the re-gen would just take all the fun out of it at times. Slow turd. I didn’t ask him much about it, because I wasn’t interested LOL
     
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    I'm sure they would, just like any of us. They won't get that either. Big diesels are having issues with them, too. At work the DEF trucks ALWAYS had more issues than the older ones. One truck was on it's 4th or 5th EGR system in 2.5 years and less than 100K miles. The best performing one that had DEF in it was on it's 3rd EGR sensor/setup after 120K miles. Trouble free diesels are a thing of the past.

     
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    I have a exhaust regen "loop" I go on to clean the exhaust out if I know the truck will not complete the regen before it's shut down (30 min, 5+gallons of diesel). I have seen 8 gallons go on regens that take longer. So at the current fuel cost, 3.19 x 8 gallons= 25.52 every 400-800 miles. When in town towing (or lots of stop and go), the regens come even sooner. I have seen them come in every 300 miles.

    See why I don't daily drive my shit?
     
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    I'm curious to see how things shake out with the 3rd gen eco-diesel reliability wise. It was a pretty substantial overhaul. I looked pretty hard at them before going with my Tundra. Safer bet in crazy market.
     
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    He did make it sound like his went into re-gen mode quite often (once a tank-ish). It was a daily driver and he only lived a few miles from work. He said he liked it best out on the highway.
     
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    The only 1/2 ton diesel argument that has made any sense to me is for remote mines and worksites so they only need to fly in (winter truck in) diesel fuel. Nice way to save some money not having to send up a second fuel, and managers don't need HD trucks just to drive around in
     
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    When I went down to Oklahoma to pick up the second GN, I was going downhill and getting stupid fuel economy. 815 miles between a regen. I was blown away.

    Regens aren’t bad if you finish them. However, if the Diesel engine is shut down before completed it has to start again and use even more fuel to get exhaust temps back up to 1100-1350*F.
     
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    That would makes sense. In that situation, I’m sure light duty diesel trucks are not needed.
     
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    Same with a buddy of mine. 2 engines, multiple times in the shop. He is a Dodge guy and went back to the 2500 Cummins.
     
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    I imagine that most Americans that will buy diesel want big block diesels not half ton or taco diesels. Why bother
     
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    I wanted a faster vehicle so I also bought a Chevy SS... because 4 door sedans with big V8’s are hilarious.
    LOL the Chevy 2.7L I-4 makes 420lb-ft of torque now. So the basic bitch Silverado makes more torque than a 2021 Tundra with the 5.7L V8.
     
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    @Coal Dragger could you please check if we have received any correspondence from Mike Sweerg on this? I think we should get answers from the man himself.
     
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    I wanted a faster vehicle so I also bought a Chevy SS... because 4 door sedans with big V8’s are hilarious.
    LOL. Let me see. He’s probably really busy in a meeting in Plano right now going over the competition.
     
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    Yeah, and the Chevy engine I-4 will only last half as long, if you're lucky.
     
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    I wanted a faster vehicle so I also bought a Chevy SS... because 4 door sedans with big V8’s are hilarious.
    Most people who buy new trucks and trade in every 3-5 years could care less.
     
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    There’s also an option for diesel that were not allowed to talk about on open forums. Aka The reason we’re in the shape we’re in currently with the epa
     
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    This is where the Toyota reliability only attracts to the minority. I know way too many people who buy a new car right around 100k miles because "I better sell this thing before it starts costing me money". I love asking them if a new car will cost less than keeping their car alive. They don't care how long a car will last, they just want to do oil changes and car washes and nothing more.

    Dodge seems to be the opposite end. They sell cars with cartoonish amounts of power but they are doomed to early death. Those same people who dump cars before 100k miles don't care a bit.
     
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