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Is the hybrid really only good for the extra power? Is there no real exchange for MPG?

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  1. Dec 22, 2022 at 1:38 PM
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    If you're doing a bit of reading around these forums and some YouTube watching, it seems like at best you get one or two extra in the city, but otherwise it's debatable whether you gain anything on the highway.

    As much as I enjoy the extra immediate power (I'm coming from a 392 Challenger), I'm not sure it's worth losing the under seat storage (prepper life) and the extra cost if there's no savings in the long run on MPG.

    I drive a lot in the city here in downtown Phoenix, but If anyone knows Arizona they know there's lots of stretches of highway I'm leaving the city, and I do a lot of road trips. So I'm curious if it's worth the money if I want the extra mpg.

    Most of the threads I was able to find are outdated from July or August, so I wanted to get an update from everyone here.
     
  2. Dec 22, 2022 at 1:41 PM
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    Hybrids aren’t designed to improve highway mileage. The gas motor does the high speed work. In town is where the electric motor does the work. Getting the vehicle rolling is where most of the energy is spent.
     
  3. Dec 22, 2022 at 2:07 PM
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    I’m approaching 5000 miles with my hybrid Pro and think my mileage is settling in at ~18-19 average overall. This is at sea level with maybe 60-40 highway/city split. It’s not great efficiency, but is what it is and close to advertised. Driving experience has been great, and I still very much like the powertrain and would pay for the hybrid again. I see plenty of other gas engine 22+ tundras reporting better mileage than my own, so YMMV.
     
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    I would agree that the Hybrid wont help much at freeway speeds. I know when TFL tested the Tundra on the IKE the electric motor abruptly shut off at ~50 mph and then never helped in any way the remaining portion of the test at 65mph.

    It seems to really just be to get the truck going. If if you look at the numbers, the hybrid gains 48 hp or 12.3%(437hp/389 hp), but it also gains ~620 lbs according to the Toyota spec sheet(6010 lbs vs 5390). So you gain 12.3% in power but gain 11.5% in weight.

    So, in an all out drag race, the hybrid really is only going to have an advantage in first gear below 4500 rpm. Once the gas engines have reached peak power and start shifting, the non-hybrid is likely the same or faster due to the lower weight. And this seems to be reflecting in the magazine tests. The Hybrids seem to be quicker 0-30, marginally quicker 0-60, and then they have the same time in the 1/4 mile but the non-hybrids are running a faster trap speed.
     
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  5. Dec 22, 2022 at 2:36 PM
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    Its more then that for this truck in my opinion . The hybrid was really to give more power to the six with no alternator or compressor as a bonus vs the big v8 . Its a great combo.
     
  6. Dec 22, 2022 at 3:08 PM
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    So basically a v8 without the 16 highway mpgs?
     
  7. Dec 22, 2022 at 3:14 PM
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    Has 56 hp and 182 lb-ft more than the 2021 Tundra's 5.7L V-8 4x4, plus 20mpg vs 14mpg.
     
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  8. Dec 22, 2022 at 3:22 PM
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    Ratings sited by Toyota that rarely have real life experience but all stats are by Toyota for both trucks . :)
     
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    The TTV6 has a lot stouter low end than a V8 even without the hybrid.

    Its more like a diesel with the V8 top end.
     
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    Hybrid is worth it IMO. You avoid the auto shutoff and starting back up at lights. Feels crazy fast, even with bigger tires. I notice the electric motor kick in when I accelerate on the highway to pass. I originally ordered a non-hybrid and test drove one on the lot. I wasn't convinced the hybrid was worth the $ since I wouldn't be saving money at the pump. Then a hybrid came available and I jumped on it. Never looked back and zero regrets. Would buy it again.
     
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    2WD Hybrid here and have seen 22.8 mpg peak so far with right at 1,200 miles. Im also taking it easy but here once it loosens up the MPG gets better.
     
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  12. Dec 22, 2022 at 7:35 PM
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    I think the hybrid is definitely worth it. I’m in Phoenix also and before lift/wheels/tires I was averaging 21-23mpg.

    since the Westcott my first tank was 20 mpg and currently is about 18 driving normal.

    the key to the hybrid is getting up to speed around town (45-55) letting off the gas then slight accelerating with the hybrid only at 50% to maintain speed.
     
  13. Dec 22, 2022 at 7:38 PM
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    Yeah I have no problem driving truck light now that I sold my 392 Challenger. I currently drive that 2.7 l Chevy, so I'm used to different driving (by the way that engine's actually pretty cool).

    What wheels tires and lift did you get?
     
  14. Dec 22, 2022 at 7:51 PM
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    I did the Method 316 18x9 with Toyo AT3 285/75r18. They measure a 34.8” and a decent amount lighter than 35’s.

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  15. Dec 22, 2022 at 7:54 PM
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    Thanks, looking really fresh.

    I may do 33s, but it's good to hear that 18 total on 35s is doable. I assumed mpg would drop down to 15 with the tires.
     
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    Thank you. My current tank at 18 mpg has been only city, and a few pulls to see how acceleration is. It can easily get better. I wouldn’t be surprised if mpg gets slightly better as I only have 2900 miles but short trips will easily kill your mpg and will see the 15 that people claim.

    But I’ve driven both the hybrid and non hybrid enough to recommend it for the better performance, mpg, digital dash and overall fun factor.
     
  17. Dec 22, 2022 at 8:32 PM
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    not worth it from a $ standpoint, the mpg and power increase for city is great but not worth the price of admission, this is kinda repost from another thread - but I have changed pricing, now basing the calculations on rock bottom pricing of a no option added limited trim w and w/o hybrid

    $59714 base no option limited 4x4 cm sb 17/22 ($54040 MSRP + tax title dmv)
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    $63002 base no option limited 4x4 cm sb hybrid 19/22 ($57015 MSRP + tax title dmv)
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    Total cost of msrp to add hybrid battery is $2975, but it is $3288 here, my #s are OTD pricing reflecting taxes for my county.

    Keeping both trucks for 20 years, the nonhybrid still saves $1140 vs the hybrid version for total cost of ownership. It would take you 29 years of ownership to finally break even on the price of the hybrid vs the non hybrid.
    upload_2022-12-22_20-24-47.jpg
    https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/savemoney.jsp

    I plugged in what I assume what the avg person would do, take loan at 4.3% for 60 months and put 10k down, drive 55% city vs highway with avg 12k annual miles. Gas at $4.00 a gallon.

    All the things I put highlighted in bold are user defined/controlled inputs, some people may have 0 loan and pay it off completely, or their gas is $2, or drive like 200k miles a year and can make the $ positive for the hybrid in 1 year etc. Look at the fuel cost, that is the only thing that you save, I dont think I will own this tundra for 29 years, this is why I skipped on looking for a hybrid after about 6-7 weeks dead set on one.
     
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    Definitely do not buy a hybrid as a financial decision. Sure, it'll save you a little on gas and will have a little higher resale. Depending on your situation, you may break even. If you buy a hybrid, buy it for the extra power and the better driving experience.

    If you are inclined to make your purchases based on data in a spreadsheet, perhaps do some data collection on the posts below. See how many of these people complaining about throttle/turbo lag are driving TTV6 vs hybrid. My guess is there is not a single hybrid owner out there complaining about throttle lag. It doesn't exist in the hybrid.

    https://www.tundras.com/threads/throttle-response.116845/
    https://www.tundras.com/threads/throttle-lag-surge.106155/
    https://www.tundras.com/threads/throttle-lag.115760/
     
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    After owning both…this is my experience.
     
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    Hybrid is a better driving experience

    hybrid is going to net much higher fuel economy if you plan on lifting it, adding larger tires or adding weight (topper, bumpers, etc)

    hybrid crushes towing

    hybrid is the only way to go, the ttv6 has too much turbo lag and doesn’t drive super smooth. Under seat storage- never missed it, didn’t have it in my 07, 14, 16 or 19 tundras.
     
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    Those are heavier than my 315/70R17 KO2's.
     
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    If there is lag its gotta be tuning issue, which I thought there was a fix for.

    Does the hybrid net much higher fuel economy with large tires? The reports from people with F150 Powerboosts that put 35's on said the electric motor really becomes less capable trying to turn the extra mass. And that is in a truck with 3.73 axles and similar transmission ratios to the tundra. Without regearing the electric motor doesnt have the oomph.
     
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    If you spend some time driving both engines, you would understand. It's not all about return on investment.

    What is the ROI on my $1300 moonroof or my $3k TRD OR package? I didn't buy these things based on how they affect my net worth.
     
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    Leaks and excessive heat during the summer :rofl:
     
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    hook up a trailer to both and then go pass on single lane highway with a tight gap and tell me which you prefer- the hybrid will go full on with the gas motor in this situation and it absolutely flies.

    I didn’t but the hybrid for the ROI, but it will have higher resale value due to the hybrid motor.

    sr5 has the highest rating because it is bare bones. I’d rather have a heavier truck with more power for towing- it’s safer every which way. I’m also never going to tow over 9k with a 1/2 ton, that’s dumb- use the right tool for the right job and get a 3/4.
     
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    Mine is constantly working up to 55mph, off the line it doesn’t work as well unless you really baby it, but once you get those 35’s up to speed the hybrid helps keep them spinning smoothly and with ease. Even if it’s a 10% improvement with the tire increase that’s a lot around town daily.

    the power is 100% what the hybrid is about though, just drive them side by side and see for yourself- it’s night and day.
     
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    Turbo’d engines exhibit lag at low rpm. It’s part of the physics of how they work. Smaller engine, (less exhaust volume/pressure) less power off boost, more perceived “lag” prior to building boost and power. No tune will eliminate turbo lag. Smaller turbos lag less at low rpm, make less power at high rpm.
     
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    The hybrid on TFL shutoff at 50 mph and never turned on again. They had it floored all the way up to 65mph.

    Are you saying that is not how it works?
     
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    You're lecturing a person who has own a 3.5L Ecoboost for almost 9 years with aftermarket tunes from 4-5 different companies. I can assure you it matters.
     
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