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Is a 3rd Gen with over 1600 lb payload a unicorn?

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by Mattedfred, Dec 18, 2021.

  1. Dec 18, 2021 at 4:21 AM
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    Please excuse the following rant, but I'm sure a few of you might share this sentiment.

    While I'm well aware that vehicle manufacturers always quote the absolute highest payload available, I had no idea that they may choose not to make any available (manufacture then allocate).

    To quote a post from another thread: "So far I've seen 4 stickers: (x2) different SR5 plain and (x1) SR5 off-road - all 3 with 1395lb and one Limited OR with 1400lb (with 18" rims). Also some channels in the states showing their Limiteds off-road with different equipment (one with sunroof and more), both with 20" wheels and both 1400lb. It seems that the extra equipment doesn't make a difference (I know this cannot be right) and Toyota determined the payload based on "lowest possible" per Trim. All SR5's 1395lb and all Limited ones 1400 lb. Platinums will be around 1310lb"

    If this is in fact the case, is a 2022 Tundra with over 1600 lb payload an actual unicorn?

    While we continue to shop for a larger travel trailer, I've been researching potential replacement tow vehicles. The 2022 Tundra is one of the vehicles on our list.

    The gold star goes to the first person to post a door jam sticker showing anything over 1550lbs.
     
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  2. Dec 18, 2021 at 5:09 AM
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    For a sticker over 1550 , its going to have to be a 2wd DC sr5. I am watching this closely as well. The payload stickers so far (on 4x4 CM's) are just below my '18 2wd DC at 1450 lbs.
     
  3. Dec 18, 2021 at 5:37 AM
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    I can't wrap my head around that though. If the lightest truck is a 4X2 SR DC 6.5' bed and has a payload of 1940, how much does the 4X4 option subtract? And, what the heck weighs so much in the SR5 package? Does that equate to an almost 500 lb hit?
     
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    You need to look at the 3rd gen owners manual or sticker for the official load carrying capacity. Ignore the website and other promotional matieral. 3rd gen is in the range of 225 lbs higher than 2.5 gen. In the owners manual, the highest load carrying capacity model (there are 18 listed) is a 2WD Long Bed DC which starts at 1580 lbs. The lowest is a 4WD Short Bed CrewMax which starts at 1310 lbs.
     
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  5. Dec 18, 2021 at 5:55 AM
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    I know. All of the stickers posted to this forum so far have been less than 1500 or so pounds. I learned to ignore the specs published by Toyota a few weeks ago. I guess I'm just holding out hope that someone snags one of these unicorns and shares the details of their build on this forum. Wishful thinking perhaps.
     
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    Page from 2022 Owners Manual Listing Load Carrying Capacity attached
     

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    Thanks for sharing that. I'd seen that before. Call me stupid, but I don't know the model codes and am confused by the table. I assume that covers all of them? If so, then a 2022 Tundra does not exist with a payload over 1580 lbs? Where's the one with 1940? Again, feel free to call me stupid.
     
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    I don't know the model codes either but they are detailed on the door jam sticker. I assume that the highest weight carrying capacity is for a Base model and the lowest is for a 1794. I think the weight of factory installed options also come off that number. I think the problem is Toyota's definition of "Payload" listed on the website and "Load Carrying Capacity" in the owners manual and on the sticker. They are apparently different. Discussion of this topic is like the trans cooler delete topic, it will just go on and on.....I was just trying to get the facts out there.
     
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    I guess they aren't, eh? Maybe one includes fuel and one passenger and one doesn't? I have no idea. I'd just like to tow our next trailer with my wife and I are our gear without exceeding the GCVWR and GVWR of the actual truck we end up buying.
     
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    I had just finished looking at that page in the owners manual b4 it was posted. That page makes zero sense, has too be more differnce between 2wd and 4wd.. More confused than ever.
     
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    True. How is the long bed have offer more payload than the short box? It's a heavier truck! Makes no sense. But, I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
     
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    It has to be something like that....It would be good if folks that have gotten their 2022 could go to the CAT scale and report the numbers along with the specifics (sticker number, weight of passengers, fuel level, model code). The real answer is GVWR minus CAT scale. f you can swing it, take the truck on a test drive and stop at the CAT scale...once the Dealers get any.
     
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    You don’t need to worry about being a few hundred pounds over payload. If it’s and issue for squat get air bags or stiffer springs and send it.
     
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    Something just occurred to me. My owner's portfolio was a port installed option. That means the weight of all the manuals aren't included in the basic curb weight. The yellow sticker applied at the port covers that.
     
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    There is a sticker on another thread with an SR5 Crew 2WD and payload is.......1400 lb. Looks like 4WD adds 5lb :) because a 4x4 SR5 has 1395lb.
     
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    I thought I read where the transfer case uses a lighter lube. Bet that's part of the weight savings ;)
     
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    On the second gens, different models had different GVWRs. Could that be why 2wd and 4wd are closer than we think they logically should be? (This doesn't explain the original question, though.)
     
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    I am following all of this after buying my 25' Airstream and knowing that I will be over payload.

    At this point I have no choice but to make due with what I have, but am quite sure that when I am able to do so, I will be in a Heavy Duty truck.

    Current thinking is F-350 XLT Crew Cab long bed with 7.3L engine, with a cap to keep all my stuff safe and dry.

    I do not want to get another truck without the comfort of knowing I will never have to think about this payload issue again.

    SPP
     
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    The payload difference between a members '22 Platinum and my friends '19 Platinum that have the same packages is 125 lbs.

    Load your truck up as usual and run across a CAT scale, subtract the scaled weight from the specified GVWR, that's your available payload.
     
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    @Mattedfred to your original question, I wonder if it's because we're mostly seeing trucks that are loaded with options hitting dealers right now. Maybe we'll see higher payloads later in 2022 when Toyota starts manufacturing some base models.
     
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    The higher trim models do have higher GVWR's per the web site...lowest being SR 4x2 short bed at 6,990 lbs and (ignoring the HV models) highest being 7,375 lbs for the Platinum/1794 4x4 long bed,
     
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    I didn't realize they gave the long beds a higher GVWR, but that's definitely a good thing.

    I wonder if the extra weight of the longer bed/frame offsets the GVWR such that they fall into that 1,350-1,400 lb range as well?.....hopefully not.
     
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    I'm sure it does. I'd like to see a base SR5 short box with a higher GVWR like GM does for its max trailering package.
     
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    I'm comparing both the Platinum and 1794 4x4 long beds and on paper their max payloads are 1,575 lbs.....so realistically in the upper 1,300's I'd guess. That really sucks, if they would have had 1,600-1,700 lbs that's a game changer and would've been my next truck to replace the current Titan XD. Even if they would actually come in at 1,575 lb I could likely make it work, but 1,400 lbs is a no go.
     
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    That’s not good considering my 2014 crewmax 4x4 Sr5 had a payload over 1350lbs.
     
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    I have seen 3 Platinum 2022 stickers posted so far and the highest payload has been 1,310 pounds....
     
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    That's one of the trailers we're considering, along with a 25' General Coach Citation Reward. Our tow vehicle is my daily driver and my commute to work is 77 kms (not every day) so I'm trying very hard to avoid an HD truck.

    We're looking at the January 2020 and newer FC 25RBT btw.
     
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    Man, I really hope you're right! I see how that makes sense but I would've thought that some of these SR5's we've been seeing wouldn't have had that many options that weighed that much.

    All I want is a DC, 4X4, 6.5' bed, large fuel tank and brake controller. I literally don't want any other options and would be willing to remove some options that came standard with that package. I'd be happy with manual windows, manual door locks and a factory AM/FM/CD player. That's what our 2DR 2005 Echo had and we loved it for over 423,000 kms!
     
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    Just found this video. Sadly buddy fails to show the payload sticker. I'd want the DC 6.5' bed version of this truck and probably exclude the premium package. I really like the look of the colour matching. I imagine the CM, rear power window, softex seats , 14+" infotainment screen, bed lights and power outlet all add some weight which would reduce the payload.

    https://youtu.be/2cGwsktzJYc
     
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    Hopefully you don't plan to tow more than 100 miles round trip, otherwise out of your options I think you're stuck with a Chevy/Ford/Dodge.
     

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