How many problems will the 2022’s have?

I bought a 2007 Tundra when they first came out, that truck was the worst Toyota I’ve ever owned. It had the entire front axle and shafts replaced as part of a TSB. The dash warped badly and was replaced 3 times before a TSB was created and finally fixed it. I had a couple sensors that were replaced per TSB’s and they were always on back order. The first time I loaded an ATV in the bed the tailgate fell apart, Toyota later revised the tailgate with actual support after I fought with them for months. I swore I would never buy a first gen redesign of anything after that 2007. I see that guy on YouTube already is encountering software problems simply synching a phone to the infotainment. It will be very interesting to see how many design flaws the 2022 has being significantly more advanced than the 2007 was.

 

The software glitch was mostly related to slow email updates. I’m sure any small glitches will be resolved easily with updates. I imagine the Tundra will still be the most reliable full size gas pickup for 2022. In fact, I’d bet on it.

 

Ford got caught storing unfinished F-150 out in the elements for months before they can put chips in them to finish the production
No such photos were shot as far as I know for Toyota. That alone is enough.

 

I think people will find problems b/c they want to find problems. It will all be little personal stuff, but I don't think anything major. Toyota builds well and to last. I have done first gen before with Toyota and had zero issues, will not hesitate to get the first of this redesign.

 

Considering this is all pre used and tested technologies there will alway be some issues here and there but probably not a ton.

 

I would wait 2-4 years depending on how patient you are, for the thing to mature just in case ... All new designs will have some issues minor or sometimes major like burning oil. I recall that with many other good car brands like BMW, Subaru, Acura, Benz, etc.

 

My 07 had minor and major problems and it was a hell of a lot simpler than the 22. I ran with the belief that Toyota makes such good trucks that it won’t happen, it was not the case. I’ll be watching for the TSB’s.

 

There will be issues for sure the first couple of years, it will take a year or so before some of them show or people notice (cam tower leaks, coolant etc) Toyota will monitor them for 6 months to a year to see if they are potentially widespread or need to be addressed wider, they will do TSB's to handle it, in about year 3,4,5 of the new Gen you will probably start to see some of the best of the generation which will continue to improve slightly year after year until they change it again. Usually the only thing that stops that is when they get a batch of bad parts that it takes a while to flush out.

I figure 2025/26 will be a pretty solid truck. And if the previous years had no issues, then there will be some used ones available as well.

 

Well I heard they put the tranny cooler back in, but what about the seat-back purse?

 

Turbo will not hold up like the v8

 

I think it's easy to forget that Toyota has been running the 3.5L Twin Turbo in the Lexus LS 500 since 2017. They've had 4-5 years of real-world application to vet this engine block & turbo combination.

Granted...the engine has been tested with a car, whose owners typically don't drive 200k+ miles, tow anything, or go off-road. I get those arguments. However, I do think Toyota (in all their wisdom about "reliability") would not place this engine into such a popular model if they felt like reliability would take a hit. They know that the average Tundra owner keeps their truck longer than any other truck Make/Model. A recall or even a gamble on reliability could potentially cost them 100's of millions. Toyota, as a company, is rarely a "gambler" like that.

If there are a lot of issues, I think it'll be in the following areas:

1. The infotainment software - Several Content Creators have already pointed out issues with the software. However, since it's software...it's easy to fix with an update.
2. The 14" screen - Has Toyota implemented this size of screen in another vehicle before? Legitimately asking because I don't know. This is the reason I opted for the 8" screen since they've been using it in other vehicles for years now.
3. Potentially...the rear locker - The first Tundra with a factory locker. They've had it in the Tacoma for a long time so perhaps there won't be any issues long term.

My 2 cents.

 

Hahaha, 91 pages of Cam Tower Oil leaks on gen 2. I'll gladly risk the hypothetical turbo issue vrs and absolute know design failure in the 5.7.
CAM SHAFT TOWER SEAL LEAKING ** PLEASE READ*** | Toyota Tundra Forum (tundras.com)

 

What year tundras have cam tower leak?
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Affected are the 2010-2018 models of the Toyota Tundra, Sequoia, Sienna, Land Cruiser, and Lexus LX570. Customers report that a camshaft tower repair includes service or replacement of the oil filter, the oil pan drain plug gasket, the formed in place gasket oil pan, and the camshaft bearing gasket.

 

No way to know what issues a brand new 22 model with have, unless you have one of these and can use it.

 

Less than this truck lol

 

3 or 4

 

No amount of R&D and testing of prototypes can add up to the number of hours that customers will put into a vehicle. So yes, early adopters of any new tech are also beta testers in a sense. BUT:

The drivetrain will be totally fine. They’ve been making D4S top ends for a long time, the 10 speed trans is an Aisin unit IIRC. That’ll all work great. The issues will come with the tech. Look at Volvos earliest full screen tablet style integrated infotainment units. They crashed all the time and were buggy as hell. Good news is they’ll mostly be fixable with firmware updates.

So, my prediction is: Drivetrain few-to-zero issues. Electronics: several usability issues that only require firmware tweaks.

EDIT: I’ll also add, they’re putting this drivetrain in the Land Cruiser, which should tell us something. Land Cruisers are chosen by customers to get people through some of the most inhospitable places on earth. Places where a breakdown will cause death, I.e. the Sahara. It needs to run and it needs to arrive at its destination. So this “new” engine should be sturdy as hell.

 

Oh I didn't know a cam tower leak was on the same level as a turbo dying. The hell are you smoking over there?

You can let it leak.. it won't effect performance.

 

What kind of gas mileage does the 3.5L Twin Turbo Lexus get?

Also is the '22 Tundra transmission a new design or a mod of an existing trans?

 

Even with the leak it will go to a million miles. I'd wager both 5.7s that hit 1 million miles had the leak and they just oil changed at the proper intervals and never noticed it.

Original engine and transmission

 

100 percent.
A leak isn't detrimental to the the way the car operates sure it makes an mess and is annoying but you can drive it forever like that.

Tubro dying?
You're going to have metal run through the engine, and with the trubo system using coolant to cool it from what I remember of toyota's video.. that is another place to leak and cause issues.

Will it be a nice driving/reliable set up? Probably.
Do I want one? I wouldn't mind it, but I wouldn't give up my 5.7 for that specifically.

 

Have to agree, I'm not particularly enthused about the cam tower leaks but let's be honest, that 90+ page thread how many of them formed drops that even fell to the floor/or formed drops at all. It's largely a very slow seep. Now, I'm not taking up for toyota, they shouldn't have a damn engine leak/seep. Period.

That said, there's not enough oil lost to effect the engine between oil changes. The amount of oil lost is probably akin to evaporation from heat in many cases. I could be wrong. And will stand corrected if proven so.

 

I disagree, the engine they are using from the Lexus wasn't used for hauling the payload or trailer weights that it will see in the tundra. Yet to be seen how that turns out in my opinion.

 

Thats more of a concern for the transmission then, isn’t it? Hauling/towing? The engine doesn’t care/ isn’t put in any extra strain by towing, it’s the gearing and changing gears that needs to be able to handle it. And by that measure, look at all the vehicles that have Aisin transmissions. They are known durable.

 

Folks like us were all standing around water coolers in the 70's & 80's having similar "predictions" when EFI was mass introduced to replace carburetors.

 

If that were the case the engine from a geo metro would suffice. Better gas mileage right? Hell let's go smaller! Lol

Transmissions are ran by engines. The harder the load the harder the engine works.

 

My issue isn't turbos, I've stated on other threads I have almost 200k on my turbo diesel, I drove every mile of it, many pulling heavy loads. My issue is making smaller engines work harder, increase wear.

Could a v6 turbo diesel pull a loaded 1 ton? Yes. Would it last as long as a v8 turbo diesel that worked significantly less? No.

 

Your're seriously trying to compare a completely hypothetical problem with a known repair that costs between $3500 and 4k to fix when out of warranty... Give me a break. When the first turbo fails you guys will have a point. Until then it just sounds like complaining.

 

My 07 had no issues....other than burning gas quick. TBE. "To be expected" which was a non issue come to think of it.

 

I'm not sure what is causing but I have seen a few tundras with the check engine lights lit up already, probably a software or loose gas cap. We should find out any major issues in the next couple of years or so with the new powertrain, and thanks to a seemingly large pool of Beta testers with the number of trucks being sold the last week or so, we should have pretty big sample pool.

Here is a toast to the beta test pool...we couldn't have reliable trucks without ya!!!!