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Home defense handgun

Discussion in 'Guns & Hunting' started by Tundra234, Nov 16, 2019.

  1. Nov 16, 2019 at 7:50 AM
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    I don't know anything about guns really and am not a gun person at all. But I would assume from what I do know, a compact shot gun would be much better suited for home defense. They are intimidating enough to scare away an intruder, and even if you're a really good shot, you'd have much better luck hitting and disabling your target with a shot gun spray. I may be way off base but that's what I would get if I wanted a firearm for home defense. I have a young child in my house so I wouldn't keep a loaded weapon accessible in any way, and if it's not loaded and accessible then it's useless for home defence anyway.
     
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    The one thing I thought of when buying a gun is and to stop the debate of this caliber is better or more stopping power blah blah. A gun is better than nothing, anyone that says a 9mm can’t stop anyone should get shot in the head, heart, kneecap then rethink their statement. I have a shield 9mm, I figure I can shoot to disable and tie the dude or lady up or finish off with my big heavy ass Samoan wooden club from home that can break bones.
     
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    No one would like to get shot by a .22 either, so I agree. Anything is better than nothing
     
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    I’m all about the pump action Remington 870.

    Nothing makes someone realize they have a pressing engagement elsewhere quite like the sound of chambering a round in a pump action shotgun.

    Bonus points for being able to layer the lethality. First two are birdshot the rest is up to you.
     
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    Depending on your home, who is in it, where you can store the gun, etc, a shotgun is your best bet if you were ever in a situation that you HAD to use it. Put some #2 shot in the thing... get a semi auto... load up 5 shells... and I can’t imagine you’ll miss. A pistol is done an all but a shotgun is far better.
     
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    Not a big fan of polymer HGS. But then again to each his own. My favorite is a Hi-Power or 1911. Also, a P239 is another I use. That Shield looks like it could be a handful chucking out punpkins
     
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    Agreed with all this. Again I'm not a gun guy so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
    Having someone die because of your actions, no matter who they are and what they did wrong is something that most people will struggle with for a very long time, possibly a lifetime.
     
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    Shotguns are best for home defense (bird or buck shot). Handgun rounds will go through walls and collateral damage will occur.

    If you're dead set on a handgun, Smith and Wesson M&P Shield 9mm is the way to go (or a revolver if you're not familiar with guns -- they're less prone to malfunctions and are caveman-esque). I have the .40 Shield that I purchased that as an off duty weapon for when I'm off work because our department carried .40s at the time. The .40 in the Shield is a damn cannon and the recoil is insane. I'm not the best shot in the world, but I shoot on average a score of 96 with my department gun. With the Shield, I wouldn't trust taking multiple precision shots outside of 15 yards. Now, I wish I had the 9mm. A gun shop will sell it with the extended magazine that I think adds another 2 rounds to the gun and gives your pinky finger a nice spot to sit. FBI did a study on 9mm vs. .40 cal stopping power and found the difference SO minimal in damage sustained. Ammunition now is so "advanced" that they do relatively the same amount of damage internally on a person in small caliber firearms. The FBI found the difference so small, except people shot more accurately with the 9mm. I don't know about you, but I'd rather hit a target 6 out of 10 times with a 9mm vs. 3 out of 10 with a .40 from range in a high stress situation. Most law enforcement agencies in my area are either carrying 9s now or are in the process of switching. We swapped from the .40 to the 9 last year. With that .45, I cannot imagine how bad the spread would be in a stressful situation.
     
  11. Nov 16, 2019 at 10:24 AM
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    This information is me regurgitating what was passed to myself and some co workers. It will make some people upset.

    Look at the 22 caliber Smith and Wesson pistol and/or AR15 22 rifle for home defense.

    They are inexpensive. Ammunition is inexpensive therefore making training inexpensive. They are fun to shoot thereby making proficiency and familiarization easy. Anyone of any age in your household can wield, operate and handle the recoil. It is quiet allowing you and others to still communicate effectively in any situation. It does not over penetrate modern home construction materials. It does not always eliminate a threat with one round, but it will stop that threat from doing whatever it is was doing and cause a different behavior. However, more rounds do equate to a lethal engagement. Sadly, in today’s political environment, by only wounding a threat and stopping the engagement you avoid manslaughter or murder charges against you and hefty fees or fines in the long run.

    It sounds odd to read that but it makes sense once you accept it and see it’s practicality.
     
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  12. Nov 16, 2019 at 11:29 AM
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    Doesn't matter what you choose, if you don't practice with it at the range and in your home. Dry fire is great training and you need to practice drawing and firing from where ever you keep your weapon.

    I own lots of pistols but my house and truck guns are Glocks, the only safety is keeping your booger hook off the trigger. If you don't practice by drawing and disengaging the safety on your gun then you wont when it matters most. Also add, don't waste your money on night sights. You won't even see them when the time comes, spend that money on more ammo.
     
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    12 gauge shotgun with buckshot. 1897 Winchester. Open hammer and five very distinct sounds racking a shell into the chamber. Its amazing how loud that weapon is in a very quiet house.
     
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    Not nearly enough room here!
    The 410/45. Taurus Judge and it's variants have a large following for just that purpose (Home Defense) A revolver that's lockable with a key-slot behind the hammer. Different sizes available for all sized users. They offer a carbine model too called Circuit Judge, which is a short rifle on the same revolver action. With the right load and shell- size, the 410 gauge shotgun shell is devastating at "in the home" ranges. The Judge's 45. capability would be better for a longer range shot. With 6 selections in the cylinder, you have options.
     
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    That's definitely interesting and makes total sense. I'm a ballistics nerd. I'm gonna have to track down that study. That said, I remember reading somewhere that the FBI carry 10mm. Dunno if that's right or not.
     
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    The best home defense weapon is one you are proficient with and keep readily available.
    /thread...

    Seriously, beyond that you're just going to get 1,000 different opinions. Buy something you like, practice with it, keep it clean and then practice more.
     
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    I will keep my opinions to myself on weapon choice and focus on the question you asked about the pistol.

    For pistol home defense, concealing really isn't a concern of mine. A short barrel, low capacity pistol would not be my "go to" gun. A full sized (more accurate, more capacity) with possible rail light/laser set up for defensive situation would be. Not a fan of lasers in the offensive. In a dark house in the middle of the night...hell yeah I am.

    Hypothetically, for me, since I was a Glock hooker before my boating accident, I would have a G17 (since I prefer 9mm), spare mag, with light (mounted or flashlight), and a cell phone. Dog on the loose.
     
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    IDK, I've got a 1911 for home defense right now, but I'm thinking of getting a Yeet Cannon.
     
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    If it’s for home defense only I would highly recommend a shotgun, as others have stated. I am a Springfield guy myself and have an XD40 as my pistol - among others. The construction, ease of breakdown and the grip safety are more comfortable for me. Any way you go, I agree with the other person who stated committing to range time and even classes to become proficient with its use. Pistols in Closed quarters and high pressure situations and in houses with multiple rooms, the risk or collateral damage and not being able to use the pistol with precision IN MY OPINION make it a less ideal choice for home defense.
     
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    Hard to beat an old fashioned shotgun. They are cheap, defense rounds are readily available and they are easy to operate. I keep both a shotgun and handgun.

    Glock 17.4 with a 19 round magazine and a modified Mossberg Shockwave with Aguila mini shells

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    I don’t know anyone who would pick a subcompact for home defense.
    Sure a shotgun would be nice but, I value my hearing. If I shoot my mossberg shockwave indoors without hearing protection I’ll be going to the hospital right behind the bad guy. I don’t believe in racking a shotgun to scare someone off. Your home defense gun should already have a round in the chamber. If you’re in my house without my knowledge you don’t deserve a warning. And I also agree with Erik. Be proficient in whatever you trust your life on. If you’re not proficient with your weapon you’re wasting your time.

    I keep my Beretta by my bed with 124G +P hollow points.
     
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    If you lower the grain on that .40 it will become much more manageable
     
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    Shotguns are a specialist weapon often mistaken for a good beginner weapon by other amateurs. Large, hard recoiling, slow to reload, expensive ammunition (for SD) and they are not suited for everyone. Few people ever put in the time and practice needed to use them offensively.

    Handguns are similarly, a specialist weapon. To shoot one well is akin to learning a martial art more than a skill, a full body and mind skill that takes hundreds of hours and many thousands of rounds to master.

    Luckily there is a class of weapons designed to be powerful, easy to shoot and easy to learn, even for inexperienced teenagers.

    That would be the so called "Assault Rifles"

    Cheap, light, easy to use, accurate and powerful. Shotguns and handguns are valuable tools in the tool box but they are not the hammer or the ratchet, they are the metric star bit set and the gear puller.

    All that being said....I have a full tool box. My go to pistol.....if I where to go to a pistol....is my Beretta APX combat.

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    Thanks for all the info so far. Fl is nuts...we have had 3 shootings in the area just this week. It may be just a hype thing thinking I need a bigger caliber.

    @Ckatz53 I do currently have a Shield 9 M2.0 These are my 9 and my Bodyguard, both with CT.

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    Yeah man then you're set. The shield 9 is fine.
     
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    The ones I work with carry 9s. The study I read was released interdepartmental. I'm sure there are public postings about it somewhere.
     
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    Now to find a nice holster for when I take it out of the house.
     
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    CYA Supply Co. IWB holster is what I use. Served me well since I got it a few years ago. I just toss the extra mag in a back pocket if I decide to take it with me.

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