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Ford F150 and Tundra

Discussion in '2.5 Gen Tundras (2014-2021)' started by Rockslide, Jan 22, 2023.

  1. Jan 22, 2023 at 7:20 AM
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    Rockslide

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    Had/have my 97 f150 4x4 xlt since new but now trying out the tundra. So it seems like a great truck but only time will tell.
    At 456k miles I really like the f150 and with the motor out (rebuild) getting ready to reinstall and hoping for another 400k miles. I'll compare later.
     
  2. Jan 22, 2023 at 7:34 AM
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    HulkSmurf14

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    That's impressive mileage for any vehicle.. but especially a Ford!! Gotta love the ole overbuilt, underpowered Tritons!!
     
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  3. Jan 22, 2023 at 7:50 AM
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    Terndrerrr

    Terndrerrr it's good to get lost once in a while

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    Keeping the same vehicle for extremely high miles, no matter the brand, is awesome. Kudos to you, sir. :hattip:

    That kind of immunity to the auto industry’s marketing is in short supply these days.
     
  4. Jan 22, 2023 at 7:53 AM
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    My stepson's hand me down Eddie Bauer Ford Expedition clocked up over 450k - mind you the A/C never worked in the few years that he had it (not much fun in mid-Florida!), it was on it's second engine, in his years of owning it it 'only' broke down on him three or four times, needing things like steering rack, water pump and some head work on the replacement engine. It was an absolutely hanging piece of shit, the seats were falling apart, the electric windows changed their minds on whether they should work or not more often than a toddler changes it's mind. I think one of the only original parts that still worked on it was the odometer...
    If I had to do that much work to keep a vehicle going for 450k I'd have to shoot myself... I don't expect my Tundra to make it that far, I mean it very well might, but nor do I expect to plough a never ending stream of parts and time into it, nor get to sit up front with multiple tow truck drivers!
     
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  5. Jan 22, 2023 at 7:56 AM
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    Not forgetting stumping up for the obligatory AAA membership that's needed if you own a Ford. :rofl:
     
  6. Jan 22, 2023 at 8:10 AM
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    batman900

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    Those late 90s early 2k Ford V6/V8 trucks are really great, just like the 4.8L V8 Chevys from that time frame. I know half a dozen people pushing 200-400k miles on those vehicles and none have been treated nicely.
     
  7. Jan 22, 2023 at 8:16 AM
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    2mchfun

    2mchfun Lead foot, left lane, loud stereo

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    Welcome from OKC! Put plenty of commercial use miles on some Ford trucks. 2.3, pushrod 4.0, 4.6, 4.9, 5.0, 5.8, 7.3 D, all were pushed hard and served me really well. Good maintenance is key! All of the new crap, they can stick it!
     
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  8. Jan 22, 2023 at 8:20 AM
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    Leo's first

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    Wow! That is impressive good luck on another 400k
    How many miles on the Tundra?
     
  9. Jan 22, 2023 at 9:34 AM
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    Shamrock92

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    400k is impressive

    As many others mentioned though - it’s not the drivetrains that fail on properly maintained vehicles - it’s the accessories.

    That’s part of why I think Toyota has such a reputation for longevity- aside from a quality design and being well engineered - keeping the build simple and with less things to fail results in higher long term satisfaction. Without all the bells and whistles that wear out far faster than an engine or transmission (and cost more to replace) - you get an overall better product.

    Most people who buy and hate their Big 3 product bought “high level” trims. Ditto most new Tundra owners of the gen 3 - all the complaints you see on quality / how many involve a truck that cost 75k ? It’s funny - buyers of the 30-40k sticker models seem to be “satisfied” - but when they spend double that on something with creature comforts - they get much more demanding.
     
  10. Jan 22, 2023 at 11:08 AM
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    Terndrerrr

    Terndrerrr it's good to get lost once in a while

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    o_O There are several examples that run counter to this. Just off the top of my head:

    • Ram trucks whose Cummins engines eat their transmissions,
    • the OP and his rebuilt Triton engine (not an uncommon tale for higher mileage F150s),
    @TheBrit with his 450k Expedition on its second engine with many other replaced components (VERY common story from what is generally described as the most unreliable vehicle in history),
    • older Subarus are notorious for blowing head gaskets even though perfectly maintained,
    • 1st gen Ecoboosts develop an exhaust leak tick from the turbos literally being hung on the exhaust manifolds. Ford did not use manifold bolts that were up to the task of supporting that weight,
    • 2nd gen Ecoboosts develop cam phaser issues that are not maintenance-related,
    • GM 5.3 V8s with misfires from AFM :wave:, newer ones have widespread lifter problems,
    • Hemi V8s with the dreaded tick, etc etc etc

    None of those are due to maintenance neglect. My Suburban was perfectly maintained. Still grenaded the rear diff at 220k. My Yukon? Still went into limp mode regularly due to AFM.

    In many cases, drivetrain components are (a) not designed well, (b) intended for a lifespan that allows them to just get past warranty, or (c) simply not up to the task they were built for.
     
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  11. Jan 22, 2023 at 11:21 AM
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    2mchfun Lead foot, left lane, loud stereo

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    Personally I would take a new 94 F150 ex cab long wide with a 5.8 and a manual 5 SPD over my 2021 Tundra any day of the week.
     
  12. Jan 22, 2023 at 2:50 PM
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    Agreed - not every drivetrain was well designed.

    Late model GM comes to mind - way too much electronic stuff that just killed them. 2007 months think was the last “good” GM v8 - the 6 cylinder lasted until what 2011 before they started adding all the electronic fuel controls. Then the problems started.

    Yes - Ram/Dodge transmission failures are basically any year you can think of. Long before the most recent generation- the transmission sucked. Has for as long as I can remember.

    But in general the older base models outperformed their high trim counterparts. People paid a premium for those “fuel saving” and “eco friendly” engines - turns out you were saving fuel because you weren’t able to drive anywhere and it wasn’t so eco friendly when you had to junk it after 7 years.
     
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  13. Jan 22, 2023 at 2:55 PM
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    Depends on what you plan to do with the money made by side-grading.
     
  14. Jan 22, 2023 at 5:39 PM
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    Bought the f150 new and the reason for the high miles.... simply maintenance. Changing the OIL and COOLANT before it goes sour is the key.
    Bought the 2016 tundra two months ago at 139k miles. No reason not to get 400k+ miles out of ANY new vehicle.
    Just take care of it.
    I always change ALL the fluids BEFORE it fails.....that includes the brake fluid, p.s. fluid, differential fluids.....ALL.
    Oh yea.
    456k is using CONVENTIONAL oil.
     
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  15. Jan 23, 2023 at 12:26 PM
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    Fords 2v 5.4 v8s can last an insane amount of time.
     
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    Mine is a 4.6 v8 triton Windsor.
    Not a lot of power but doable.
     
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    Cylinder deactivation sounds like a real nightmare in the GM motors. Plus my friends 6.2 apparently has a weird ticking sound when stopping due to the cylinder deactivation that is driving him insane, dealer says it’s normal though haha. In general I highly doubt all these mpg gimmicks are going to have the same or better reliability than simplistic designs.
     
  18. Jan 24, 2023 at 8:54 AM
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    Any vehicle with cylinder deactivation is going to have longevity problems. Many disable this feature for that reason.
     
  19. Jan 24, 2023 at 10:18 AM
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    Anyone have any idea if there's a simple fix for this - e.g. replacing the bolts with stronger ones? I'm wondering if my father in law is in for a nasty surprise on his 2011 at some point...
     
  20. Jan 24, 2023 at 12:25 PM
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    I was looking for a car for one of my sons and was considering Accords. Did a little research and Honda uses deactivation on their V6’s but not on the 4 bangers. Found a decent looking V6 and went to check it out. Pulled the dipstick and it was dry.
    Apparently, no fuel to a cylinder reduces piston ring lubrication and the oil ring wears, letting oil pass.
     
  21. Jan 24, 2023 at 12:42 PM
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    Terndrerrr it's good to get lost once in a while

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    I think a lot of people mistake it for lifter tick. I have a friend with a 2016 F150 who had this problem fixed at his dealer at 70k miles. He said he had it on both sides.
     

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