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Eibach Stage 1/Stage 2 heights & best place to buy?

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by Jeremy323, Feb 22, 2023.

  1. Feb 22, 2023 at 9:47 AM
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    My ‘11 Crewmax with a spacer kit sits at 24.5” from center of wheel to fender on the front, the rear is at 25”, it does have a small lean. Front is a spacer rear is a 2” block. I’m wanting to remove the spacer kit completely.

    I’m wanting to get at least 25” in the front and 26” for the rear. Truck is mainly hwy driving with very slow off roading, nothing I will go fast on.
    I will be towing a car trailer a few times a year, car is around 3200lbs and I’ll be buying a small aluminum car trailer for it.

    Will either Stage 1 or 2 get me to these heights? I’m undecided on the rear lift, shackle or AAL. Also looking for recommendations on where the best place to purchase these.
     
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    I put the Eibach stage 2 on my 4Runner along with JBA Offroad upper control arms. I bought the kit from Wheelers Offroad (sometimes they have sales) and the control arms directly from JBA. It's a good quality suspension.
     
  3. Feb 22, 2023 at 10:05 AM
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    Hit up @memario1214

    I believe both stage 1 or 2 would work for your needs.
     
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    As @RobertD mentioned please feel free to reach out to us here at Hotshot Offroad (406-936-0206) if you have more questions, but I'll see what I can do here!

    If memory serves me correctly the OEM front hub-fender measurement for your truck would have been around 21.5". With that knowledge I would assume you're running a 3" spacer. An Eibach Stage 1 kit will yield you MAX of 2" of front lift (from stock) and the Stage 2 can be turned up to 2.75" max. So you would be really close to what you have now anyway.

    For lifting the rear we've been proponents of getting the coachbuilder shackles to lift the rear unless you're towing all of the time, and your use case doesn't sound to be like the leaf pack will be taking a consistent beating.
     
  5. Feb 23, 2023 at 11:55 AM
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    Are there any other lifts that you would recommend that would get me to my desired height? Also would you suggest a shackle over an add a leaf kit?
     
  6. Feb 23, 2023 at 1:06 PM
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    While it's not perfectly ideal what you COULD do is something like the Eibach shock setup mentioned above, leave it at the 2" out of the box, and go with something like a 1" front spacer which will keep you from having to choke down so hard on the preload collars thus preserving your down-travel. If we go this route I recommend a bump-stop extension so that we don't bottom out the shock on a hard hit. Also, I am not sure if you were tracking this or already have it done, but if we step up to 3" of lift the right way here you'll be looking at needing to pick up new UCAs as well to be able to get the alignment back into proper spec.

    To answer your question directly Icon offers some shocks that can be run all the way to 3" of front end lift with the shock alone.
     
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    I’m wondering if I should scrap the Eibachs completely and go with something else. I’d rather not use any type of spacer, shims would be ok to even out any lean I may have. Toytec, 6112/5160, or any other recommendation?
     
  8. Feb 23, 2023 at 1:59 PM
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    No worries. So the only options that I am aware of that will provide 3" of lift on the coilover alone are the Icon 2.5s, Fox 2.5 Factory Race, Elka 2.5, or the Toytec Aluma 2.5s.
    https://hotshotoffroad.com/products/icon-2007-toyota-tundra-1-3in-stage-1-suspension-system

    Bilstein 6112s peak out at 2.5".
     
  9. May 11, 2023 at 9:32 PM
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    Rather than starting another thread, I'll revive this one. @memario1214, I am looking at maybe getting the Stage 2R kit for my '08. Currently sitting on OE equipment (right front was replaced in '09 under warranty for a leak).
    I am looking to level only with no rear lift. I tow often and have automatic air bags in the back.
    You think the Stage 2R would be a good fit?
     
  10. May 12, 2023 at 9:59 AM
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    Absolutely. The Eibach 2R kit is a SOLID upgrade for pretty much everyone. They have good damping characteristics and plenty of fluid capacity for most scenarios outside of extreme limits. Additionally, for folks who tow a lot like yourself we are very positive on a digressive type of shock (Eibach, Bilstein, Icon) as it just supports the load better in general. As far as your leveling these will do the trick, but I do have a recommendation. They will come out of the box with about 2" of front lift. On paper, this would level the truck out. However, due to how the Tundra's cab sits a perfectly leveled truck looks nose high IMO. These kits do come with a spanner wrench so my "vote" would be to only have the nose about 1" higher than stock, but you have the ability to do whatever you want!

    Please feel free to reach out to me if you have any more questions via PM or you can always call us here at Hotshot Offroad at 406-936-0206. If you've got what you need then here's the way to snag them now! We're out of them on our shelves at the moment, but as of this morning when I talked with my Eibach rep, we're expecting a reload in about 2 weeks.
    https://hotshotoffroad.com/products/pro-truck-coilover-kit-stage-3-4wd-14-21-tundra
     
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    Thanks. Yeah, I read about the preset height and figured I'd probably drop them about that much. I'm just tired of my chest hitting the frame rails when I try to crawl under the truck and it's about time for new shocks as I beat them up pretty good on FSRs over the last year and a half.
     
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    Yeah a little bit of lift and MAYBE a small step up in tire size would address the crawl underneath concerns. Let me know if you have any more questions. Happy to help any way I can!
     
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    I'm running LT275/70R18 currently. I'm going to find out if Big O will warranty these and let me pay the difference for the next size up. These are 90% worn an only 1/2 through the mileage.
     
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    Eibach Stage 1 with the Eibach springs will give you 2.5” on the lowest setting…. Second setting will give you a touch over 3”…… I have mine set at the lowest with 2 Coachbuilder 1/8” shims on the Left and 1 1/8” shim on the right. Truck measures out 2 7/8” on the driver and 2 3/4” on the passenger. I actually want to raise the rear 1.5-2” and go second setting on the Stage1s and drop to 1 1/8 shim on the driver only….. I haven’t pushed into as I know there’s a high chance even at 3.25” I’m likely going to need UCAs……
     
  15. May 15, 2023 at 10:03 AM
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    You're correct on a couple of counts. 1) I was thinking of the Tacoma Stage 1 kits that are 2", and 2) I forgot that the Tundra Stage 1 kits come with lift springs instead of standard length springs. I can take that L!
     
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    Just installed the Eibach Pro-truck stage 2 front coilovers and rear shocks, along with Coachbuilders +3 shackles.

    It lifted the front driver side 1.63" and front passenger 1.75". This is after I raised the driver side spring perch as much as I could to compensate for the driver side lean. What do you guys think? It seems like I should have gotten more lift than this. I'm nowhere near the 2.75" lift that Eibach claims these shocks could be adjusted to.


    Fender to center hub before and after measurements:

    upload_2023-5-22_10-19-9.jpg

    Eta I have 2019 Crew Max Platinum for what its worth.
     
  17. May 22, 2023 at 8:35 AM
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    Can you send some pics of how your suspension looks right now?
     
  18. May 22, 2023 at 8:54 AM
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    I did the Eibach Pro Truck Stage 2 last fall. Measurements taken at the local elementary school where it is nice and flat. Before was with 1/2 tank of gas, after with 1/4 tank of gas. I have CB +1 yet to be installed.

    Capture.jpg
     
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    I don't have my truck with me right now, I brought it in for an alignment. But I will post some pictures soon as I am able to.

    Looking back at some of the measurements I took when installing these (I was meticulous about taking measurements after each step of the install process), I noticed I had +2.31" on the LF and +2.69" on the RF right after I installed the front coilovers. This was right after I set the truck down off the stands, before I did anything to the rear, and before I test drove it.

    I figured they would settle some, so I took it for a ride and came back and measured it again. Now I had +1.63" on LF and +2.13" on RF. I thought this was odd, and after doing some reading on this forum I came to the conclusion that the coilovers on my driver side may have been binding with my LCA since on that side I didn't loosen the LCA cam bolts like I did on the passenger side.


    After that I installed rear shocks and shackles. I took measurements again. Test drove it. Took measurements. This is when I thought something may have binding with my front coilovers so I loosened everything up front/LCAs on both sides. Hand tightened everything, lowered the truck, then torqued everything to spec. Figured I had to be good now. So, I drove it for a few miles. Then took measurements again. Fender to hub was 23.0" on LF and 23.63" on RF.

    At this point I had a .63" drive side lean. So, I did 3 full turns on the drive side. I measured again and got 24.38" on LF and 24.88" on RF. (What the heck?) I figured these must have to settle, so I test drove. Measured again. Now I have 23.25" on LF and 23.75" on RF.


    Don't know how it can go up and drop back down by that much, just from taking it around the block but that's what it did... Kind of wish I hadn't took so many measurements because then I wouldn't be so worried about it. haha
     
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    Bruno, thanks for posting your measurements. I'm not that far off from what you experienced.

    I have some 285/75 R18s being put on some SCS SR8's right now at the tire shop. Just hoping I won't have too much of a problem fitting these with the lift I have.
     
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    I put on 275/70/18 on factory TRD wheels and they fit great. Tire shop ruined the wheels so I now have them on method 701 +18 and the passenger side rubs at full lock reverse. I think I am going to shin the bumper but I just try to avoid full lock now.
     
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    my driveway is slanted and I found that numbers were wonky if I pulled in vs backed in. So, I found a nice flat spot at the local school and it is more consistent. Also, I measure from bottom of wheel and then subtract half the wheel diameter to get the center of hub number. More consistent that way too.
     
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    Ouch. Yeah, I made sure to talk to the guy that that was going to put my tires on. Made sure he understood I expected those SR8's to come back just as they look right now.
     
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    Yeah, I thought of that. My driveway looks to be level, but I haven't checked to be certain....

    And that's how I measured my center of hub measurements too. I thank this forum for that tip. I took fender to center of hub and fender to ground measurements each time I measured. Don't know why I did both, bc I feel the center of hub measurement is more accurate using the method you described.


    Guess I'm going to find out shortly how much trimming I'll need to do. I'm hoping with the +25 offsets will keep it to a minimum.
     
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    Here are some pics of the driver side coilovers:

     
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    And here are the passenger side:

     
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    Tire shop was able to get it aligned. Have a little rubbing the front fender when I have the wheel turned in reverse. But should be able to take care of that. Was worried about the body mount, but looks to have cleared that. Here's the damage.

     
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    I installed the Eibach stage 2 with rear resis and a RAS. I wanted to lift the truck between 1-3/4” - 2” both front and back as I like a positive rake. I didn’t wanna deal with shackles or an AAL so I went the RAS and rides great loaded or unloaded and it yielded me 1-1/2” rear lift with my particular setting. Once you set up the RAS you can lower the resistance or raise the resistance of the spring and that will lower or raise the rear.

    What I like about both the Eibach stage 2 and the RAS is that they are both easily adjustable to lower or raise the truck to your very specific heights settings and the RAS will greatly improve the handling while towing/hauling

    I drove for 250 miles before getting alignment, I’d suggest going 500 miles on these Eibachs recheck your desired lift height adjust if needed then alignment done.

    This picture was right after install it looked pretty leveled, the front later settled to give me the positive rake I was looking for.

    IMG_1284.jpg
     
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    Interesting. I have not checked height nor had it aligned after the first one at like 100 miles. I will check this week to see where we are at. Good call out.
     
  30. May 24, 2023 at 11:21 AM
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    Question for you guys running the Eibach 2R's. Have you stayed with the stock UCA's or gone aftermarket?
     

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