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Armor and Children

Discussion in 'Guns & Hunting' started by MadMaxCanon, May 28, 2023.

  1. Jun 1, 2023 at 5:09 AM
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    To be honest with you I was thinking after a few sentences reading your post, go to Mexico and just walk in from there. I have heard of many people doing that from Europe or other places you don't typically hear about in regards to illegal border crossings.

    I think covid and some of its policies made it harder to come here recently, yes. That's fair. But in all honesty I have some pretty worthless family that get to this country pretty easily and with not much money and they are a negative when it comes to contributing to society. No offense to you, half jokingly, it's probably hard for you because you are a honest and normal person trying to follow the rules lol.
     
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    To the OP: just buy the backpacks. I’d do the same with my kids. Just buy the armor that can handle rifle rounds.

    My plan is to homeschool and take our kids to church functions to hopefully meet some other christian-raised kids they can be friends with. Its not a guarantee that those kids will be good, but at least they are being exposed to morality more than some kids. Plus I can meet their parents and find out how serious they are about teaching good vs evil, right vs wrong.
     
  3. Jun 1, 2023 at 6:42 AM
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    Name calling now?
    Generally, I do not correct grammar but you seem like a special case.
     
  4. Jun 1, 2023 at 6:51 AM
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    I kind a figured that the whole point of moving to the US was build a better life for me and my family, get good jobs, be able to engage more in my hobby of firearms etc. Seems like that would be difficult to do if we were illegal immigrants.
     
  5. Jun 1, 2023 at 6:56 AM
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    Personally I don't care what anyone does. When I start caring when someone tries forcing their beliefs on others. Obviously you didn't read my earlier post on what that teacher was doing to my daughter, or you wouldn't have posted such an ignorant post.
     
  6. Jun 1, 2023 at 7:00 AM
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    Good point, and you are right. Jokes aside, you are doing it the correct way, its just sad that they make it harder for a person like yourself compared to a person that is a drain to the welfare system. One of the many things wrong with this country's priorities.
     
  7. Jun 1, 2023 at 7:03 AM
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    I am getting one delivered later this week. I went with the standalone level 4 plate. I am going to see how it fits in different backpacks. From the dimensions, it shouldnt be an issue for any standard backpack. I dont mind having an extra plate if it doesnt end up working out. I may even bite the bullet and conduct my own testing at the range, just for extra piece of mind.
     
  8. Jun 1, 2023 at 7:08 AM
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    Make sure you get involved in the school board meetings and maybe even the PTA. My wife was on it for a while and was able to get a new playground and some security upgrades though donors. (65k)
     
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  9. Jun 1, 2023 at 7:23 AM
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    Oh, I definitely plan on getting involved. PTA for sure and I was also planning on talking with the principal and the on site LEO (hopefully there is one) about allowing me to carry on campus on Fridays as volunteer security for the perimeter of the school or even unarmed if necessary.
     
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    It appears you have shone a very bright light onto the otherwise dim world of an online virtue signaler. It's a shame a flamethrower wasn't available.
     
  11. Jun 1, 2023 at 7:30 AM
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    You can borrow mine.

     
  12. Jun 1, 2023 at 7:34 AM
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    It might be difficult (even frowned upon) to be armed on school property due to state/fed laws. Worth the ask though. Worse they can say is "no"....
     
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    On a side note, you might be surprised at how safe your children are in the city.

    I live out in the county and have been disappointed at the level of awareness I have to maintain out here (and what has happened in the past 5 years). My kids school is just down the road 1/4 mile. That didn't give me a warm and fuzzy for sure. We had a school lockdown a while back due to a standoff with police in a neighborhood close by (we didn't have that information at the time). Had I went down to the school armed, that would have been disastrous to my health. A few sheriff deputy units were sent to the school for added safety. They had us covered and were there before I received the notification.
     
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    FuckinA!
     
  15. Jun 1, 2023 at 8:44 AM
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    Agreed, but in Ca, there is a specific exemption of written permission to do so being allowed.
     
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    No kidding!!! That's pretty awesome. Definitely worth asking and getting some certifications if need be.
     
  17. Jun 1, 2023 at 9:21 AM
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    Its concealed carry. Out of sight, out of mind. I carry wherever, unless they have a metal detector LOL.
     
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    Even with a CCW, one of the absolute no no's is cannot carry on the grounds of an educational institution, unless you have written permission to.
     
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    Just the CCW is enough, technically, but the party providing the permission can require any damn thing they want in order to issue the permission. I have additional training beyond the minimum, but thats just me and a good idea in case something happens, to prove you are a competent person.
     
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    Yeah if they find out. Also ironically, that’s the main reason why mass-murderers go to schools, which is what this whole thread is about. sometimes we have to break the rules if they’re going to break that same rule.
     
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    I agree with this in principle; but in reality the negative publicity that would befall you and other "law abiding gun owners" not to mention the stigma of being uneducated or worse negligent with regards to firearm safety is not a hole very easily crawled out of. It could also negatively affect future efforts to allow CCW-security volunteers/paid citizens from doing some good and possibly preventing one of these Emm-Kay Ultra's from showing up and carrying out another tragedy.
     
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    Yeah its like trying to play a game where the other team isn’t playing by the rules.
     
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    You are putting yourself at some serious risk man. I agree with what @PermaFrostTRD said, so I don't need to rehash it.
    In addition to what he said, you could be stopping a threat and be put down by LE responding. This happened in Colorado in 2021. He had already stopped the threat and was carrying the rifle and was shot and killed.


    https://www.denverpost.com/2021/11/08/olde-town-arvada-shooting-johnny-hurley/

    I carry in my bank (and it's legal to do so..many think it's not). Where else are you at such a high threat of being robbed?

    Everyone has to make decisions for themselves. I try to error on the "follow the laws" and work within the boundaries. I personally don't want to be a felon and getting shot makes for a bad day or two.
     
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    Welcome to dismounted patrol.
     
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    Its gotta be hard to be a cop at a jr.high. We had 2, officer ?neddles or nettles? That everyone called needledick & officer boyshorts (dont remember his name, but he wore short shorts.)

    in highschool, one of the officers was my buddies dad, so we got away with all kinds of shenanigans.
     
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    Yeah, it really is a tough call. Those that play by the rules lose against those that don't. It's a complete gray area so sometimes decisions are made for the safety of yourself and your children. You gotta do what you Gotta do.
     
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    I carry wherever and no one knows that I have a hidden firearm on me. That risk is smaller than the risk of being unarmed in a dangerous situation.

    So a good guy with a gun and a potential mass-murderer both ignore the “no gun” sign. Seems like that levels the playing field.
     
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    I’ll also say that with any of these school shootings, we wish someone had broken the “gun-free zone” rule and had a firearm that day to shoot back at the killer.
     
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    I dont mean to throw fuel on this fire and I will try to keep this from being political but in IL its actually going to be against the law to buy or possess body armor after January 1st 2024. If owned prior to the ban its ok but already you cant have armor and have any kind of conceal and carry (anything considered a deadly weapon) as that has been against the law since 2012.

    I mean, I dont want to ban guns and I have my CCL and training but I understand why people fight against them, what sane reason is there to ban body armor?

    https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/bi...A=103&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=148102&SessionID=112
     

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