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General Supercharger Thread.

Discussion in 'Performance and Tuning' started by snivilous, Mar 18, 2021.

  1. Jan 22, 2022 at 2:41 PM
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    $156 for a gaylord container on a 42x40 pallet from right around where Harrop is to my place of work in Montgomeryville....stuff I order for our crating division....sometimes the freight classification impacts the charges too so that might be part of it.

    Agree, a heads up is always nice in any case.

    The bright side - YOU are now driving a supercharged Tundra!
     
  2. Jan 22, 2022 at 3:35 PM
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    I ordered mine from Prospeed on sale for 7,200 and it shipped from Harrop, shipping was 200. I think that was in late spring/early summer. I was going to wait but was afraid the price would keep going up with the supply chain issues…..it did of course.
     
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  3. Jan 22, 2022 at 4:52 PM
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    I'll jump in.

    I agree Harrop said stage 1 does not need a tune. I guess this is true - to a degree.

    I drove untuned for a while and I did not break anything. I don't know if this proves anything. probably doesn't

    HOWEVER - once I saw the dyno, you can see the stuff the stuck ecu tune is doing. not awful, but not ideal.

    get stage 1 tuned. it dyno's much better. (or order D3's tune) I posted the graphs. I wish I could have driven stage 1 tuned.

    stage 2 tuned is a beast. My afr's are exactly were I wished them to be & timing is being handled much better.

    I am still gonna do the Trans valve thing.

    My truck is doing great - loving the frigid Houston weather 34 degrees!!!

    I wonder if D3 has all the data for my untuned stage 1? I'll ask soon.

    Spark plugs - Peitz put the cooler plugs when i went stage 1...he said I didn't need them, but it was a safe move. stage 2 probably needs them. who knows.

    650cc Injectors - whatever. I did what harrop said. these were the tuning sticking point - as D3 used the Mag tune/FitKit & modified from there.


    @ViktorG thank you for being a steward to this hobby. your words carry weight. I tip my in you general direction. All of the things he said were dead on.




    and...driving the wife's Tesla Plaid makes this thing feel like a prius. I still love my truck. It's awesome.
     
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  4. Jan 22, 2022 at 5:56 PM
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    Did they just Dyno it or look at AFR and timing too?

    Boosting without tuning when you have the option to tune seems retarded to me. But to each their own, I guess time will tell how the boosted untuned people hold up.
     
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  5. Jan 22, 2022 at 7:34 PM
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    They said they had a tailpipe wideband and were watching AFRs before any hard pulls. I wasn’t there so I have to take their word for it.

    I would prefer to get it tuned and plan to do so. Nobody in my area says they can do it so I am planning to do remote tuning. BUT if I’m doing it, I may as well put on the 80mm pulley and injectors first…
     
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  6. Jan 22, 2022 at 7:40 PM
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    I also requested them to weld on an O2 bung for wideband but they were hesitant to do the work since the exhaust was too rusty. I’m sure there would have been broken bolts or leaking flanges. My truck is a 2015 with 60k miles so I didn’t think the metal was in bad shape but I am also not a welder.

    I believe you posted a picture of your exhaust and its wideband location. Mine was no more rusted than yours so :notsure:
     
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  7. Jan 22, 2022 at 9:06 PM
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    Sounds like they didn't have anyone who could actually weld, wire brush or flappy disk and any rust is good metal :D at least if you have them dyno it (more) and someone else do a remote tune you can get nice apples to apples data to improve the tune.
     
  8. Jan 23, 2022 at 5:16 PM
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    Since your in PA, Xero-Limit in Easton said they would dyno tune mine, I was considering that route. I ended up going with the DAP remote tune just because the local place had never tuned a tundra but was willing to try. DAP on the other hand has tuned more supercharged tundras than anyone in the business so I wanted to go the safe route. I didn’t realize until after ordering my DAP tune kit but think @ViktorG also does remote tunes. Not sure if he currently is doing them or not, but if so that’s also a good option.
     
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  9. Jan 23, 2022 at 6:38 PM
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    Thanks for the info. Is your DAP a canned tune or have you sent data logs to them to custom tune?

    I have contacted viktorG and will go that route once I swap pulleys and injectors.
     
  10. Jan 23, 2022 at 6:48 PM
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    It’s custom tuning, sending data logs and getting revisions back.
     
  11. Jan 24, 2022 at 4:23 AM
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    Tl;dr - I should have went to Prospeed.


    now I'm just bitchin'...

    see this - https://www.tundras.com/threads/coolant-leak.101543/

    This is the 2nd semi-major error that Peitz Performance made on my truck. I'm exaggerating a tad.

    the first being the wrong vacuum hose connector under the blower inlet. remember the P171/p174 drama?

    just shitty. Mainly because I despise crawling under the truck and the pure fact that la-z-boy has yet to make a decent creeper that automatically stands you back up on your feet.

    I had to take off the skid plate and tighten this shitty shit. I'll put decent clamps on in the spring. about the same time I drain and fill the trans.


    truck still runs great.
    rear tires are looking haggered.
    It really likes this seasonal cool dense air.
    ...not so much the winter blend gas.


    and a word of advise:
    when you are putting on your Catracs traction bars....take your time pressing in the aluminum bushings. because, if you mis-align and crooked squeeze (force the damn thing) the bushing in, about 4 months later it will rattle a bit over rough ass roads. nothing critical. just a noisy reminder to be patient. The Lord works in mysterious ways.
     
  12. Jan 24, 2022 at 6:31 AM
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    I find this interesting. On my 1st gen S/C'd Tacoma, I had all kinds of high gear/low rpm ping until I added headers. Then I was able to advance the timing a bunch.
    Confession: I didn't watch the video, just killing a few minutes at work till lunch. :sandwich::bananadead:
     
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    Sounds like its a nuanced point. I would be curious to hear more folks experiences with this.

    He readdresses headers in the video around 22mins, "bigger headers make more power".

    From what I've read here and other Tundra forums is sounds like headers can give you some HP but sacrifices low end torque in some situations. The values I've come across didn't seem worth the parts in labor but probably suitable for someone trying to build the "fastest Tundra" or someone wanting to change the tone of their engine
     
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    I’d love be to see more testing on this with supercharged tundras. I’ve seen Keith from DD state before there is nothing to be gained with headers on a supercharged truck based on his Dyno testing, and then Prospeed on the other hand says that there is plenty to be gained from headers. I guess it is true though that long tubes with no cats and free flowing exhaust can drop the boost pressure by 1-2psi. Making the same power on less boost is of course more desirable, but if it makes more power with less boost that’s even better.
     
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  16. Jan 24, 2022 at 12:24 PM
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    you had to use the Prospeed name! I'm still not over it....

    I can see the logic of headers not helping the numbers as it is only about flow. and if Holdener & Keith says it matters very little, well.

    I can also see the NA group getting some HP #'s....but only at the top. and if the echo, impulse, reflection wave thing is correct.

    ALSO...yes, larger headers would help if you are into mondo HP (>800hp) - which a stock 5.7 could not handle. because it's about flow.

    did I just disagree with myself?
     
  17. Jan 24, 2022 at 12:28 PM
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    Did most of y'all re-gear with the Harrop? I re-geared my stock, but lifted 2013, but my gearing is stock on my current 2008. I did do the Powertrax LSD on it though. Should I consider re-gearing once the Harrop is on?
     
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    I'm all stock.

    I'm eyeballing the powertrax tho.....gimme your thoughts on it.



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    I had it installed within days of getting the truck per Keith's suggestion so I didn't really get to compare without it. He also suggested I re-gear it but I chose to pass at the time being that I wasn't a big fan of the gearing on my 2013. But that was a whole different beast. Now I'm wondering if I should have on the 08'.
     
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    Supercharger + gearing > supercharger > gearing imo.

    At least you have the powertrax, makes controlling the blower a bit easier. Launching without a LSD in 2WD is nearly impossible, with the LSD is slightly less impossible.
     
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    With my 34s I probably should when I get a powertrax LSD installed, but I just don’t want to spend the money. It’s doesn’t seem like a total necessity power wise since it already is obscene with stock 4.30s. I spent so much on the truck in the past year I don’t even want to dump the $500 or so on things I consider pretty necessary in my vehicles which is a remote start and window tint. Gotta pace myself lol. Not even sure what the ideal gears would be in my case, 4.88s?
     
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    Fuck 4.88s, get 5.29s. Save the coin and do gears when you do the powertrax since you're already paying for the same labor (well, then add on labor for the front diff too I suppose). Thing will be a fucking rocketship then.
     
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    Exactly ^ I have the 5.29’s and powertrax also. The truck drives so effortlessly when you have 34 or 35’s.
     
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    Guess I better start saving up lol. Does a regear then require getting retuned as well? I would think it mainly requires adjustments as far as shift points go, but wasn’t sure how that effects it? Speaking of tuning, making a lot of progress today with DAP. Just got a bunch of logs sent and he got me another file. I’m in the process of flashing the next file now!
     
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    So I did have to adjust the shift points with my VFtuner tune because it up shifts off the KPH. So with the regear my RPMs were going too high before upshifting. When I had D3’s tune, theirs shift off the (I think they said it was output shaft speed?). Anyway, Their tune shifted at the proper points without making adjustments.
     
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    hold on...pardon my ignorance...

    If I'm all stock, would re-gearing help?

    or is that just for bigger tires?
     
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    The lower gears help offset the power loss when you add larger tires. Also helps with gear hunting, which idk if you notice that as much with the S/C. So if you kept the stock size tire and went to 4.88, I would imagine you’d gain some HP. But you would lose some top speed. Correct me if that’s not exact.
     
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    Not entirely accurate, the power you're making (horsepower) isn't changing. Torque and rpm are being swapped out, but since horsepower is a calculation of torque and rpm, it remains unchanged (the engine produces the same power ultimately, and besides efficiency loss that's not changed through the drivetrain). Likewise larger tires do take more power to spin up due to a higher inertia (more mass further out), but you also have a loss in actual force put to the ground due to the larger diameter (lever arm). If the torque to your hub is constant, a larger tire is effectively a lower (numerically) gearing so you have less mechanical advantage and this is where regearing makes up and effectively counters that. You are putting more torque to the hub, and then the tire has a larger lever arm so they cancel out (depending on the gearing/tire size of course).

    To @nobodyintexas question, "help" is a bit relative. Again, higher (numerical) gearing means more torque to your hub and more force to the ground pushing you forward--ie you would accelerate faster. But everything is a trade off, meaning now you have to spin a faster rpm. This is why some people argue 5.29s is too much gearing because even with a 35 you have to spin a higher rpm to maintain the same speed. HOWEVER, your engine isn't working as hard because you have more torque on demand. In my opinion, it's a marginal difference in rpm and you also have the added benefit of being higher in the powerband so not only do you have more torque able to be applied to the hub but you also have more horsepower/torque from the engine that is immediately on tap. Kind of like being in 5th gear constantly, you give it gas and it accelerates where as 6th cannot generate enough horsepower at the lower rpm so needs to downshift.

    So there are certainly advantages to regearing if you're stock, it's just arguably less pronounced than having big tires. You've never experienced power/torque loss, so you're not needing to make up for anything so you would actually be gaining acceleration performance instead of just cancelling out (and maybe a little gain) like someone with bigger tires experiences. In your case, I agree with @HonorNotInner where 4.88s might be the way to go, since that's similar to 35s with 5.29s. With your smaller tires and 5.29s you might be at 3000rpm at 80mph where as we're at 2650rpm at 80mph. Not that 3k will kill you, but that is getting up there, and if you want to go over 80mph you're now getting pretty high into the rpm range--4.88s would put you at a good medium range. But if you're not towing or upgrading tires, I honestly wouldn't worry about it unless you really want some brutal acceleration (not Plaid brutal though :D ). But your money, maybe you can hit a sub-4s 0-60 with small tires and 5.29s and stage 2!
     
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    That reply left me with zero QUESTIONS. I am now educated. Appreciate you.

    I am committed to get the Powertrax LSD....the valve body shift thing will be next.



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