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An American in Japan. Why? . . . Toyota Trucks

Discussion in 'General Tundra Discussion' started by TXMiamiFan, Mar 26, 2018.

  1. Mar 26, 2018 at 12:03 PM
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    They should have gotten me in on some of that action. :D
     
  3. Mar 26, 2018 at 12:10 PM
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    Or many of us for that matter LOL
     
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    Interesting article
     
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    @T500 is always changing 'em. Keep checking back for updates :rofl:
     
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    That was an excellent article Jose. Thanks for sharing.

    I will be anticipating a totally different lineup from Toyota that will have the other US manufacturers saying “WTH?”

    I’m open to a hybrid truck, and the numbers are really good. I just hope this isn’t a knife in the ol’ coffin for the US market for Toyota.

    I personally don’t think diesel is dead like some may think. We had a huge discussion about this the other day at work (in a big outage, lots of millwrights, electricians, I&C) with most of the guys and our 3/4-1 ton trucks, diesel, old vs new, emissions vs pre emissions, etc. Regardless of manufacturer, you could tell the people that daily drive their big old trucks and usually less than 14 miles. I got cracked on a few times about driving my pussy Lexus. I just laughed a bit, called those people fools, and in a systematic way explained why they’re idiots on a different level. I’m pretty sure two of them will actually start looking at commuter vehicles, but most likely gas powered trucks. So to the point, I really don’t think Toyota will go this way, and from the article, doesn’t sound like they will (thank the Lord). The only way I see Toyota being successful in the diesel market is if they get over 10000 lb gvwr.
     
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    good article. As far as Diesel, Europe pushing to get rid of it by 2030. Funny is that in the 90's they were pushing for Diesel cars so most of the cars over there are Diesel. !
     
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    True, and it’s now come back to bite them in the ass
     
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    screenshot for posterity then. If he changes it to some unicorn midget porn later I don't want people to get confused about what I like. I like midget porn, just not unicorns.

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    I love diesels but they wouldn’t make sense for me being that I wouldn’t use it for its intended purpose often enough. Short trips to work just don’t make sense. I would definitely need a commuter car. The tundra as it sits fits right up the middle for me although I still would like a commuter car. I always laugh when I see guys daily driving there diesels to work and running errands etc. a mall crawler diesel is silly to me. You’d probably be better off driving your diesel to work and then letting it idle all day until you come home ha ha.
     
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    Someone should point him to Tundras.com; just sayin' . . .
     
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    Yep. If the person has a 15-20 mile commute, and someone wants to drive a truck, diesel is the way. The only way to get the exhaust temps up is time on the road. As you stated, driving down to the local grocery store, then the bank, then the liquor store, then the gas station....etc is horrible on these DPF equipped vehicles.

    Idling common rail diesels over 10 minutes is bad, unless you have a high idle option. Some truckers still do this in very cold weather, but they high idle the motor to 1050 rpm or so.
    What happens is cylinder temps cool down at extended idle, and remember how diesel is ignited (compression), then you start getting unburnt fuel washing your cylinder walls down, over time you can get a dead cylinder. Diesel is a much lower ignition temperature fuel than gasoline.
     
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    Great post GIJOSE' Gonna get interesting fo sho. :popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
     
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    Interesting. Im fairly diesel illiterate. I always figured they were meant to idle. But how you put it makes sense. Good to know for the future.
     
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    In a nutshell . . .

     
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    I’m telling you guys, and being honest because of the “been there, done that” experience that cost me a lot of money.

    My diesel sits in the garage most days. Today I pulled it out to clean the interior, wash the exterior until it started to snow. If I go meet my queen for a romantic dinner tonight, I will take it since...well snow. I can’t take a RWD Lexus or a topless Jeep in those conditions.

    Diesels in a Tundra and a 1/2 ton rating would be a nightmare.

    Look into the Titan XD.
     
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    Couldn't agree more. I'd take a hybrid 1/2 ton over a diesel 1/2 ton any day. The use cases are just totally different. The one and only reason I could imagine a diesel benefiting Lisa and I is distance between fillups. When I plan overland trips now, I have to plan for about a 200 mile max dirt distance. I could possibly double that in a diesel 1/2 ton, but then using it as a daily driver (as we do) would suffer. A quality hybrid could fill both roles quite nicely.
     
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    You totally got it. Depending on what terrain your on, 200 miles off-road is a distance. Extra fuel capacity can help, but most people, 200 miles off-road is a long trip. I’ve never been that long in a remote location. I think it would totally kick ass to do the Baja California, Mexico sometime.
     
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    I was somewhat aware of most of that, it was more about the common rail and idling I didn’t know about. Although diesel still amaze me how they ignite the fuel. That video gave a good representation for a little more understanding.
     
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    Good read, ""You're going to see trucks change faster than you've ever seen trucks change." I find this portion hard to believe though, its just not what Toyota does, Platforms just don't change much.

    I cannot imagine the task they have when trying to make a truck check most the boxes for everyone. If you want a truck as a truck fuel mileage suffers, just a fact. But yet people are screaming for 20+mpg, Tundra still has straight up v8 power like a truck should have..no start/stop, cylinder deactivation bs. It will be interesting to see how they move forward with the redesign.
     
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    Sweers screwed up the Tacoma redesign.. drum brakes in this day and age, torqueless engine in a truck. Didn't change the engine or frame on the 2014 Tundra update ( so to me it's the same truck ). Hasn't touched the Sequoia or 4Runner since 2008 and 2009 respectively. FJ cruiser is dead. 2016 Land Cruiser got 8sp auto, how come the Tundra is still on a 6speed? I truly hope the new BOF stuff from toyota is class leading but I'm not optomistic considering WHO is at the helm.
     
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    6 spd trans is plenty for me. Thats a lot of damn shifting in a 8 or 10 speed. I bet those fuckers hunt for gears all day long! Sounds like heat buildup and future transmission slippage to me. I remember being happy with a 3 speed with OD lol
     
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    We may or may not be planning Baja this Fall (I say that because we’ve been planning to go to Baja every year for three years). One week (9 days), however far south we get is how far we go. 90% dirt from Ensenada and back.
     
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    Agreed, heck even the Tacoma is still on the same frame pretty much, just a few tweaks to it. I think the Tacoma redesign was rushed because of the introduction of the new Colorado back into the market. It will be interesting to see what happens with the Tundra for sure.
     

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