2024 Tundra and the recall?

there as been a lot of talk over the past couple of months about why the 24's have not been included in the recall and all. 1 and the most talked about one is because the hybrid can get you off the road safely. well that really doesn't really address the problem. its just a easy way of saying that yes your engine might go because of our mistake but we will see
2. they are waiting on the 25's to drop and keep the sales of the 24's going and waiting for the next round of fixes. I mean if that's the case the Tundra is selling very well and this might be the best selling year to date.
so what is it? I have the 2024,1794 Limited Edition and I check the oil on a weekly schedule and it looks good. not taking the filter off and diving that deep but I do check the oil. I have 9100 miles now so my 1st change is coming, the way I drive this awesome truck it will most likely be the end of the month. I just wondering what Toyota will do with these 24's
side note they (Toyota) said that trucks build after I believe Feb of 24 are ok. mine was build in April and I picked it up at the end of April.

 

https://www.tundras.com/threads/tundra-engine-recall-interesting-news.145939/

A lot of reading, a lot of speculation also. There are confirmed failures of 2024’s. The recall runs through February 2023 build dates if I remember correctly. I have a 6/23 build date so I’m supposedly “safe”. I’m just shy of 15000 miles. Time will tell I guess.

 

Yep, still lots of guessing and speculation floating around. I don't think Toyota actually said engines built after Feb. are ok. The only thing they documented in the recall was what has been done in regards to machining debris and testing the engine design. They did quietly update the partial engine assy. and short block part #s starting after 01/24.

 

The recall runs through 2/13/23. I've got a 2/23 build date, but not in the recall, yet.

 

I have a 1/23 build date. My VIN is not listed for this recall either. Spoke with Toyota twice and they have no idea why it’s not included. My guess is that the recalled vin numbers were built on the same factory line in Alabama. Mine could have been built on a different factory line. Just speculation since Toyota was not transparent as to why certain vins are not included but within the build date range.

 

If you are at all concerned, I’d just go ahead with an oil change ASAP, see how things look, and proceed with 5k oil changes from there. Not much else you can do other than keeping your oil fresh.

 

I’ve seen a couple of late ‘22 non-hybrids on here state they aren’t in the recall and verified with Toyota. Doesn’t make sense, but I’m sure it would get replaced under,…courtesy replacement… if push comes to shove. Enjoy driving it and pearl-clutch if the time comes.

 

For real? If the engine has machining debris and or faulty bearings changing the oil will do nothing for longevity. Just look at some banned users, 93 octane only, 3 oil changes before 5k miles and every 5k after. Still didn't even make 50k miles...

 

It's pretty simple guys. The warning signs are a drastically reduced MPG, and more frequent use of the turbos at low engine loads. If you see those warning signs find a safe place to park your truck and call a tow truck. Until then, truck on.

 

Interesting thanks, had not heard about the low mpg and higher boost

 

There's always going to be engine failures, so it doesn't surprise me there are some 2024s. Mine is 3/24 build date. If the failure rate hits 1% on those I would be concerned, but I'm not at the moment given the remedy is a whole new engine.

 

If there’s debris floating around in the oil, either remaining from assembly or simply produced from break-in wear, yes, for real, I would want to flush as much of that out as I could as soon as possible. Certainly not wait until 10k for the first oil change.

 

The point of my post was it is happening in engines that have had oil changed at overkill intervals in addition to running 93 octane to reduce knock even tho the engine is designed to run on 87.

I am all for a first oil change around 1 k but after that following manufacturer spec intervals with a high quality oil is all you can do. If the engine is gonna fail it will fail, no amount of oil changes will change that.

 

I was at my dealership yesterday getting a broken volume knob swapped. Talked to the service manager about the recall. He took me into the service bays and showed me three Tundra's that were torn apart for engine failure. They are building them up from short blocks as this was prior to the recall remedy using long blocks was announced. They were all '22's.

He showed me one of the broken down short blocks and specifically the oil port that feeds the bearing that is failing. Also showed me the bearing race that is failing. It was split in two.

The issue is oil starvation to the bearing, caused by an accumulation of machining debris in that specific port.

A bunch of debris, the bearing fails quickly. A little debris, the bearing lasts longer but still eventually fails. No debris, the bearing will last as designed.

He claims that Toyota has completely solved the problem in manufacturing and that any '24's (like mine) will be fine. Hope he's right.

He's seen no '24's that have failed. He indicated that the vast majority of failures have been low mileage (~2,500 miles). He indicated that building the engines from short blocks is a nightmare for the technicians and the long block solution will be orders of magnitude simpler. He also indicated that the long block solution includes turbos.

Hope this is helpful information.

 

thanks for the feedback.

just to add to more speculation since we didn't have enough, I suspect (if he is right), the reason for the mass of failures has been solved and that the remaining 24 failures (which do seem few and far between) is just back into the normal failure rate of the engine.

again, IF he is right...

 

I think we are in total or near-total agreement ... I was just saying, if you are a new Tundra owner and concerned ... certainly don't wait until 10k for your first oil change. That's one of the few things you can do ...

 

Absolutely not. Ryan was the ONLY one who reported those symptoms. Others have just let go all of a sudden. One reported case amongst all the failures does not constitute a general rule.

 

1/24 build date here. Truck has been perfect. As the jealous ones keep reminding us, yes, some 24s have failed. But they are few and far between. Some clown may point to 1 or 2 on some spreadsheet somewhere but that doesn't move the needle. I've been seeing more and more Tundras on the road.

 

I was thinking about those signs but my mileage has been around 12 to 14 since I got the truck. The truck does mostly towing so this is to be expected.

Also, many of the early trims like Limited and SR5 didn't come with a boost gauge so not too sure what the engine is boosting at and it is so quiet that I can't hear the turbos spooling. I think the newer Limited's have the digital cluster now and maybe even the SR5's but not too sure if and when these got changed from the early analogue clusters.

 

I consistently get 18-20 mpg, mostly driving rural county roads and highways at 45-60 mph. The turbos rarely engage once I get up to the speed limit. I routinely reset the mileage gauge almost every time I drive the truck.

As a shade-tree mechanic who has rebuilt engines, I have a pretty keen sense for when something isn't right. Symptoms of problems will usually expose themselves upon a cold startup...unusual noises, rough running, hard starting, etc. I'm pretty sure I'll be able to tell if/when my Tundra engine is failing.

FYI, watch your oil pressure carefully. A pending bearing failure will result in lower than normal oil pressure almost every time.

 

I would not wait till the 10,000 miles for an oil change. I would do it at every 5,000 miles.

 

I just bought a 24 Tundra today. I had the dealerships parts department run my VIN to see what part # it pulled up on the short block. Mine has the new part # from Toyota. So it maybe Toyota has reengineered the short block as the old short block # now supersedes to a new part#. Hopefully they figured it out and this resolves the issue

 

My 24 was built in October, 2023. I now have about 11,500 on the clock with a good heavy tow trip in there (7,500 lbs, 350 miles round trip. Damn camping is fun!). And several light tow trips of about 3,300 lbs. I've had no issues. Changed the oil at 1K miles and again at 7,500 miles. Will continue changing at 7,500 mile intervals with good quality synthetic, like every other vehicle I've owned. Forgot to mention, I use 91 octane when I tow, 87 when I don't. I also have a 3" lift with 35" tires. I'm not worried at all. If it fails, it fails. I'll get a loaner and a new engine. The wife's 4Runner, while solid and more reliable than a vehicle should be, is about as fun as rom-com with your buddies. No power, no fun, and horrible fuel mileage. Although the wife and I love the Runner too.

Do I have issues with the truck? Sure, cracked seat panel, waiting on brake parts due to the loudest squeal while backing known to mankind, numerous squeaks and rattles, and cheap, crap plastic parts. Do I love the truck? Absolutely. It's comfortable, has more power than I'll ever need, and in Solar Octane, looks great and is a color I rarely see. All manufacturers have issues these days. More money for less quality. Unfortunately, sign of the times. But will it ruin my enjoyment? Nope. Gonna drive it like I stole it and let Toyota foot the bill if, or when, it explodes. I work from home, so if it's down for a while, it sucks, but I'll survive. My truck and its potential issues don't scare me.

 

My Maintenance schedule on my 24 Limited in the toyota app shows first Scheduled Maintenance at 5,000 and the next at 10,000 but the truck maint reminder is set for 10,000. Also the windsheild sticker from the dealer had 5,000. Looks like they want that forst one at 5,000 now. I did the first one at 1,200 just to be safe.

 

The 5k scheduled maintenance does NOT include an oil change. Just check the fluid level, lol. The first scheduled oil change would be at 10k.
I plan on requesting it be done at 5k as I meet the requirements for that.

 

Well that's Lame! Either way, if I do it or the dealer gonna be at 5K. Honestly, i have never trusted anyone to perform my oil changes, the 2 times i have done so resulted in Oil dripping from the frame which is unacceptable.

 

All depends on the dealership. Mine strictly adheres to 10k & 20k for the 2 ToyotaCare freebies. They did the 10 & 20k. I payed out of pocket for the 5k change and did the 15k change myself, as I will going forward.

 

Correct. I may need to pay out of pocket at 5k. That might sway me to do my own. I haven’t looked into it but I assume it’s a different wrench than the gen2.?.

 

Oil filter is old-school spin-on canister, instead of the cartridge type filter in the previous gen. I can’t remember what size the plug is, but that’s not a big deal (unless you only have one wrench..HA).

 

Hahaha. Yeah I meant filter wrench.