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2018 Consumer Reports Reliability Predictions

Discussion in 'General Tundra Discussion' started by treihing, Oct 24, 2017.

  1. Oct 24, 2017 at 5:38 PM
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    I just got my December issue of Consumer Reports in the mail and this picture says it all about the Tundra. The Tundra scored an 85/100 for Predicted Reliability while the Ford F-150 scored a 47/100 and the Ram 1500 scored a 50/100. The poor Ram 3500 scored an 18/100. Talk about complete shit.

    Next time someone questions the Tundra, just point them to the December issue of Consumer Reports to shut them up.

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  2. Oct 24, 2017 at 5:49 PM
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    I had one of those Silverado 1500s and that is why I drive a Tundra now. Piece of crap...
     
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  5. Oct 30, 2017 at 7:21 AM
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    Tundra is reliable, that's why they havent changed it in years, they know the parts are tried and true.
    That said, I traded up to a Sierra 2500 Duramax and while I love the new truck, I've put 14k miles on it (bought it at 35k miles used) and it has been in to the dealer twice for repairs already. The towing and hauling capacity is worth it for me though, I got the extended 100k warranty because I figured this would be the case when I bought it so thankfully I shouldnt have to worry about any out of pocket for a while. lol
     
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  6. Oct 30, 2017 at 7:37 AM
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    Loving my 2017! This is exactly what I reference when someone asks me why I got a new Tundra.
     
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  7. Oct 30, 2017 at 8:08 AM
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    Nice to see CR supporting Toyota. Too often they only talk about the big three.

    Coming from a GM family (dad/uncles/cousins all were GM workers) it was VERY tough to make a switch to a "foreign" truck. Was recently reminded that "you know the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor." (Think I read that somewhere studying for a history degree.) But, after owning multiple GM's, they just have more issues than the Toyotas over the long run. They last longer, fewer issues, and resale is higher. My dad who was 46 years with GM said it best, "it's your money...spend it how you like."

    As a side note, by the way, he was removed from a meeting at the factory one day for questioning GM quality in the 1980's. He stressed that people were turning to the "foreign" cars because of quality and price. The local VP said, "consumers need to see the big picture and still buy GM." When he said someone making minimum wage can't afford to buy low quality to see the 'big picture' he was asked to leave.
     
  8. Oct 30, 2017 at 8:14 AM
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    Nice! Add on top of that the resale value these things hold it's a no brainer to me. I've been down the domestic road to many times and been burned one too many times to look back.
     
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  9. Oct 30, 2017 at 8:19 AM
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    Sweet Toyota #1!

    And people say the tundra is light years behind the big 3. pfft
     
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  10. Oct 30, 2017 at 8:30 AM
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    I will take my simple basic Tundra every single time over any other truck. They can keep their bells and whistles.
     
  11. Oct 30, 2017 at 8:34 AM
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    Why no titan on the list? I'm curious to see where it sits?
     
  12. Oct 30, 2017 at 11:58 AM
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    I had a 2005 titan for about 5 years. it was a great truck and I never had any issues with it. I finally traded it in for a 2010 Tacoma. that was when the gas prices were hitting about $5 a gallon and it was about $125 every other week to fill the titan.
     
  13. Oct 30, 2017 at 11:59 AM
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    I had one (used) for maybe a few weeks. Manifold leak happened and Toyota “reset” the deal. I walked away with a Tacoma and haven’t turned back since :)
     
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    Care to share the ratings on suv’s? I love my tundra and will never be traded in but trying to decide what suv to get for my wife
     
  15. Oct 31, 2017 at 8:50 AM
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    Reliability and, by extension, resale value is at the top of my list of requirements.

    I've known for many years that Chevy, Ford, and Chrysler haven't made really good vehicles since the early 70's. I had a couple of Mercedes which always had little problems and the dealers suck. Then I switched to Lexus when I bought one from my Dad and vowed I would never buy an American or German sedan. I've now owned four Lexus sedans. I had a lot of experience with American sedans because of all the traveling I did for work...I couldn't imagine owning one.

    I bought a ski boat in 1995, so I needed a truck to pull it. I bought a Ford Expedition in 1998 hoping Ford would be better than Chevy. It probably was better than Chevy since my friends who owned Chevys complained of early transmission problems and stuff. But typical of Ford the shocks on the Expedition were gone at about 15k. It had engine coil failures two different times (cheap fix, but why?), the leather was crap, and little things fell off or felt cheap. The Ford paint wasn't that good even though its hard to screw up white. The one thing I miss about the Expedition was the stereo it had a terrific upgraded stereo.

    In 2004 I bought a Sequoia...still have it. The Sequoia has never failed me. The DVD system quit working a couple years ago, but the kids use their iPads for movies now anyway. The speakers rattle when played loud, but the engine is tits, the 4X4 system works great, and the silver paint is hanging in there. My kids are driving now so they drive the Sequoia and our old Lexus.

    So, when it was time to buy a new truck I didn't even look at the Fords or Chevys (let alone Ram) I just went with the Tundra. I thought for a minute about the new Armada, and the Titan, but Toyota has the Tundra dialed pretty well.

    I've only put about 800+ miles on it, but I like it a lot. It is not perfect, however. Too much plastic, Etunes stereo is weak, silver dash plastic is too cheap, NO INVERTER, one USB port, typical occasional truck harmonics, no truck bed power plugs, mediocre interior lighting, NO storage under back seat.... Some of these things I'm preparing to fix, but I shouldn't have to for a 50K truck.

    Things I like:

    The ride is generally very good.
    I really like the power of the engine, wish gas mileage was a couple MPG better.
    The truck is solid, no rattles or loose fitting parts.
    Tight turning radius.
    Comfy leather seats.
    Safety shit (TSS) works so far. Really like the active cruise control, it even brakes for you.
    LED lights are excellent. I like the Auto High Beams too.
    I like the steering feel and the wheel itself.
    Etunes system works, wish sound was slightly better.
    Good Nav system.
    Bed track system is very nice.
    Factory spray liner is excellent so far, I also put a Bed Rug in, and a Soft Topper is going on today.
    I would have paid extra for the TRD Pro suspension, but the TRD offroad is OK for now.
    I especially like the blind spot monitor.
    I put an AMP Research Bed Step on it. It kinda hangs down, but its only two bolts to remove the step for off road runs. Does help when getting in and out a lot.
    I love the huge center console, but I'd like to see it have a split lid. Putting the split lock box it it soon.
     
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    You have to be more specific. They have eight categories for SUVs. CR has all kinds of ratings. For the midsize cross over they recommend the Highlander by a huge margin. CR does not really look favorably on off road SUVs because they concentrate on highway and city driving. There is also Luxury midsize, compact, luxury compact, large, luxury large, entry level, Etc.

    The second place in the midsize category is the Kia Sorrento. I put a few hundred miles on one of these in Washington DC and Virgina this summer. I was incredibly impressed. It was powerful (beat the crap out of a pimped out Ford Explorer I drove), comfortable, and capable. Problem is; Who knows how long a KIA will hold up.

    If you want to get the skinny on CR ratings, I suggest you subscribe. Maybe you'll need one of the other things they rate too.
     
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  17. Oct 31, 2017 at 10:37 AM
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    I have had a few people question me on a Tundra purchase versus a "domestic." While the reliability and dependability should be enough of an answer... I'd also point out that they are assembled here in the United States. Toyota got my attention when things hit the fan with the economy almost a short decade ago. They kept their workforce employed even though they halted the production of the Tundras for several months. There's something to be said about that. https://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/the-inside-job/2008/08/26/toyota-refuses-to-lay-off-workers
     
  18. Nov 7, 2017 at 3:11 PM
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    Yeah the reliability thing is big, I drove a Tundra 10 years ago, and was impressed with them then, but the mileage then as now was less than ideal, especially with a commute, so I ended up in a Silverado, all in all the Chevy was not too bad of a truck, it has the 5.3, that had oil issues, and they are known for the Chevy shake, but mine didn’t have any of those problems , what it did have were electrical gremlins,radio speakers out, some sort of solinoid on the fuel tank out, a tank pressure sensor, that the ecm doesn’t use, cost of part 5.00, cost to replace cause they have to drain and drop the tank 500.00, the dealer told my “you don’t have to fix it”, right...so I’ll have to keep looking at the check engine light, and won’t know if something else is broken? TPMS sensors act screwy and cannot easily be re calibrated, window motor switches,....etc, etc the damn thing nitpicked you to death. The camry we had went 300000 and ran great when we traded it, the only part that ever failed on it with regular maintenance (timing belt/water pump every 125000, battery every 3 years), was the shaft on the starter motor. So this time around, I decided, a bit of a hit on the mileage was worth less of the headache, price was ok, and actually the cost of insuring it was less than the Chevy, parts are easy to find, and the 5.7 is a known entity and there are a lot of cool mods to be done LOL
     
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    Like I tell my friends, I drive a lot and I don’t buy a vehicle for mileage, I buy what I like..
     
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    I mentioned, once, that it is assembled in Texas with many American-made parts. "Yea, but all the money goes to Japan," was the response. Ya just can't win with some people. :bored:
     
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    Exactly....and that's why. My Tundra is rock solid and while not as fancy as those Fords, Chevys, GMC's or Ram's it ROCKS and always, always get's the job done!!!
     
  23. Nov 8, 2017 at 8:50 PM
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    So what were your repairs?
     
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    Short answer, "nothing really", however that turned into 2 fried torque converters....

    Long version:
    Took the truck in for the first oil change after I bought it(also mentioned the feedback buzzer in the driver seat was bad, they had parts on to fix on hand), but the tech found signs of oil weeping at the front of the trans, said it was the trans input shaft seal and they could replace it under warranty. I saw the oil residue crawling around under the truck after I bought it, thought it was strange but not enough oil to investigate or even mention at the dealer. So it took a few days to get the parts, then they replaced the seal. Cool. Got the truck back on Friday afternoon that week, drove it to my shop, then home where it was parked til Sunday. Went camping/wheeling in the mountains that weekend with our 4runner and a buddy messed up his Tacoma pretty good saturday on the trail (cracked upper oil pan, dumped all oil) so Sunday morning we drove the 3 hrs to my house and grabbed my truck and swung by the shop to grab my 20ft flatbed to bring his truck home. Now the one road to where we were in the mountains is a 'Highway' but that term is used loosely. Theres about a 30 mile section that is up to 24% grade and all single lane (no center line, 2 cars can slowly squeeze past each other) even has some 10mph switchback turns... Fun road with a 20ft x 12" wide trailer, let alone back down, loaded. :rolleyes:

    Well, we get there and the drive up was fine overall, loaded his rig after some questionable winching with a couple pulleys, a ton of straps, and our other buddies rig to get him back to the staging area. Now we load and head back, I notice after we begin climbing the brief bit to the summit we came over that my trans temp rose up to about 218-220deg, seemed a little high but sat there and didnt rise any more. Had the truck in tow-haul, exhaust brake engaged, trailer brakes dialed in where they belong. Noticed a few hard down shifts, passed it off as being due to the exhaust brake or truck re-learning shift styles after they messed with it since the Allison is electronically controlled. Fast forward to about 20 miles from buddies house, headed up a solid 10 mile climb up a 7% grade to Lake Tahoe, noticed some more strange characteristics. Namely with the turbo diesel when towing it'll usually hold a gear real well and when you put your foot in it a little theres a lag then torque surge as it pushes more boost. Not this time. Every throttle input mirrored RPMs. Give it gas and the RPM instantly climbed, back off and it would drop. Well, drop buddy off with his truck, now driving empty and the truck pops a check engine light. Awesome. We drive the next hour home where I proceeded to mess with shifting the trans in manual mode on some rolling hills, noticed that over 4th gear the rpms raised with throttle like trans slippage. Great.

    Take it back to the dealer Monday (with a whopping 250 miles more than when I picked it up friday). After several days they call me and say it cooked the torque converter, but will be swapped under warranty. WTH, it was fine until they messed with it. :frusty: Now fast forward another few days, they get parts and replace the torque converter. Tech takes it on a test drive....It frys the new torque converter! :annoyed: They take it apart again, 'find some keyway or pin or something missing' and fix that and put in another torque converter. Thankfully it's been fine since.
    SO, what did we learn? If all the trouble is a little oil weep, leave it alone. LOL. I think the tech there messed up putting it all back together the first time, then did the same error the second time, then finally realized said mistake and put it together correctly the 3rd and final time. At least I didnt have to pay a dime for them to fix it, just was without the truck for 2 1/2 weeks between the 2 visits. About to take it in this week for my next oil change, hope all is well.
     
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    Wow! Sounds like a shit show. I have had 17K lbs behind me and never had the trans temp get over 184*, and that was stop and go traffic in town. So you did get hotter than I have seen. Since you said exhaust brake, that tells me you have an LML. Normally, I stay 50-70* over ambient temperature on my transmission. Highest temp I have seen is 189*F.

    With the TC melting down, I would go buy a couple trans filters and swap them out after a couple thousand miles. Thankfully, on the Allison 1000, they are external and easy to do...and add fluid as necessary.

    Hard to say what happened or how the prior 35K miles was driven. Hopefully that is all you have to deal with on this problem.

    I had a rear left wheel speed sensor flake on me at 4K miles. It took a few trips to the dealership to finally get it replaced. I learned a hard lesson that on GM's, if a stabilitrak trouble code is in, leave it running and have them scan it. Every time I shut off the truck, it would reset and not have an issue for a week or two, and then all of a sudden the traction control light would come on. The service writer was cool though. He gave me his personal cell and told me to call him the next time the truck went into fault and he would have me drive in, scan the code, then set up a time to swap it out. So lesson learned. 12K miles later, still no issues.

    I purchased the access door for the passenger side wheel well for the fuel filter, and a Fumoto drain valve, and the aluminum vent screw for priming. Should be good to go on mods now for 80K miles.
     
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    Wow... I was on the fence between a 6.2L Sierra and the Tundra and the Toyota reliability won me over, but I didn't think the difference would be that much. I also would never have expected the Ram to have better reliability than Ford or GM. I'm wondering what they base those scores off of? Anyway, thank you for sharing!
     
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    not all the money, the workers pay is still spent in the usa, compared to the trucks made in Canada, mexico, etc for the domestics. so it evens out.
     

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