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TRD Pro shocks, why did Toyota change them for 2019

Discussion in 'Suspension' started by gosolo, Nov 9, 2018.

  1. Nov 9, 2018 at 7:51 PM
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    Been trying to find out what difference there is on our our Tundras.
    There’s lots of discussion about the changes (Billy to Fox) on the Taco Pro, but I have heard that the Tacoma version was pretty pathetic from day one.
    I’m interested mostly in the actual physical difference in the 2 Pro shocks, but for any of y’all that had earlier Pro models and have recently upgraded to the new 2019 with Fox, I’d like to hear your impressions and thoughts.
     
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    Don’t have one, but the main difference I’d think is the Bilstein’s are digressive and the Fox’s are progressive. Or at least that’s the historical difference between the two companies.
     
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    No noticeable difference, got to drive both about equally, but some time in between. Little re-packaging, different stickers. Just my opinion of course.
     
  4. Nov 9, 2018 at 8:32 PM
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    Differences are name & price.
     
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  5. Nov 9, 2018 at 8:34 PM
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    I've heard there is big difference with the new Fox shocks also seen some videos they seem to ride much better
     
  6. Nov 9, 2018 at 8:36 PM
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    Interested in this as well.. looking to add a set of the new Fox suspension. Although I've heard that digressive is generally better than progressive?
     
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  7. Nov 9, 2018 at 8:39 PM
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    Just get 2.5 coilovers if you are wanting to go fox.
     
  8. Nov 9, 2018 at 8:45 PM
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    The more expensive the shocks are the faster you can go off road. Don't spend thousand on shocks unless you want unwanted attention from males asking you about your setup. Lmao
     
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    Yeah, it will be nice when someone with knowledge chimes in. My guess is that Toyota just changed from Billy’s to Fox because of a perceived marketing advantage. It’s doubtful that there’s any ride improvement, but I haven’t ridden in a 2019 Pro.
     
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    I'm just looking to win my local size/ pissing contest. Isn't that why we modify our trucks??
     
  11. Nov 9, 2018 at 8:51 PM
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    I modified my Tacoma to go fast on dirt. My tundra most likely will never have the setup my Prerunner has. Maybe some coilovers and 2.5sin the rear. But that's all.
     
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    I won't be entering any Baja contests anytime soon but we do take plenty of trips out to the desert here in San Diego. I'm sure there are plenty of other set-ups that would suit my needs but honestly there is something about "OEM" that appeals to me. I'm willing to spend a little extra on something that I know was specifically tuned for the truck and will bolt-up with no issues/ surprises.
     
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    Exactly why when I was looking to upgrade my tundras suspension I made the choice to go with the TRD Pro suspension. While there are some great suspension kits out there I decided to keep things OEM, suits my needs perfectly. No issues with clearances or alinements.
     
  14. Nov 10, 2018 at 5:39 AM
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    I initially ordered the 2019 Pro suspension, or at least tried to, but there was a long wait. My cost was around 2,600. I ended up buying Icon 2.5’s for less. And the ride is incredible ! Very impressed
     
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    Fox was the lowest bidder this time around
     
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    Can’t believe 15 posts and no one has pointed out that the Raptor uses fox brand shocks. The Pro is trying to be as raptor-y as possible, and if Ford is using Fox, why not use Fox?
     
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    Anyone with actual information about the differences between the two would be great.
     
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    Not that it matters, but I have to say this because I read it so often.. why would one consider adding a "pro" suspension to their truck? For the price you pay for this suspension you can get a mid level suspension from a top manufacturer, that's completely rebuildable.. and I mean this in no way derogatory. I was once on the "it has to be factory" mindset. And it was expensive.. for no reason at all. At one time I wanted to trade in my limited for a pro.. only to change everything on it.. the members here helped me realize that the amount of money I was about to drop for the pro name, could be better spent and far out perform any pro. It pays to do research and be open minded about all options.
     
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    I thought I read somewhere that the new Fox suspension on the Pro is rebuildable. Maybe I am wrong?
     
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    I have to say this also because you are wrong and posting irrelevant opinions.
    First, the posted thread question is regarding the difference between the two types of OME suspension available on the Toyota Tundra Pro. I’m not interested in opening a rehash of “what suspension is best”.
    Second, your opinion that the Pro suspension is inferior is supported by faulty assumptions. 1, not everyone wants to have rebuildable shocks and not everyone is mechanically inclined. Those folks probably are not interested. 2, a suspension system specifically designed for the Tundra and factory warrantied has great value.
    @zcarpenter92 is probably correct that the difference is between the bilsteins being regressive and the Fox being progressive. From research I’ve been doing (since no good information was forthcoming from this thread), I’ve decided that the superiority of one over the other is dependent on the purpose and driving style of the owner/user. For instance, rock crawling vs high speed desert style “bombing”.
     
  21. Nov 13, 2018 at 11:34 AM
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    I picked up a used pro suspension. For the same reasons that you just described. The person ended up upgrading to better shocks. His lost my gain! He now has an awesome truck but lost out on the cost of the suspension he paid for in the pro. I know I could’ve bought some rebuildable shocks but for a thousand dollars and bypass shocks, I think I came up pretty good.
     
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    @gosolo and since you’re talking about digressive and progressive. I think I understand how it all would feel now. My pro suspension is great for street use. It’s stiff in the corners. Out on the trail I found that it was best to either go really slow with the tires aired down or I need to be going at a medium pace. Otherwise it was too bumpy LOL. Sunday I was hitting our local fire roads up in big bear. The wife did not like me rushing the bumps. Although that’s where It feels best. So I had to keep it around 10 mph.
    I can see where a progressive shock would perform nice on a washboard road. But I don’t think I would like that feeling of being disconnected out on the street or in the dirt for that matter. In the end I was really impressed by the Bilsteins! I don’t know if I would want it any different at the moment.
     
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    Sean,
    Attached is a link to the best information I’ve found:
    http://accutuneoffroad.com/articles/digressive-vs-linear-vs-progressive-pistons-shock-valving/
    This was also the most common reference from all the other 4x4 suspension articles I found while researching.
    I’m also very happy with the Pro suspension, other than the need for compensating for the static load I carry of approximately 1100lb. I will probably be upgrading to a set of Alcan or Deavers in the future.
     
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    Ok so first.. I will agree to disagree. I was under the impression that your were considering one of the two options, and hadnt considered anything else. I should have looked at your msg count, that would have told me otherwise. I completely grasp that some ppl just do not want a rebuildable shock. And if you can get a pro suspension for a steal and that's what you want, by all means, go for it. Definitely not knocking it. Its tried and true. But since were on the topic, do you think a fox 2.5 coilover directly from fox, is as good, or efficient as one that comes on the 2019s? I'm not implying one way or the other, just curious as to thoughts on that for comparison sake?
     
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    Eric,
    The short answer is that I don’t know.
    I haven’t yet had a chance to crawl around under a 2019 Pro or ride in one. There’s some information out there and part of the reason for me starting this thread was to get feedback from owners of 2019 Pros. I’m only able to speak to the earlier ones.
     
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    It is rebuildable per Fox. I emailed them about this a few months ago.
     
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    That’s pretty cool. Although I bet someone with the right knowledge could rebuild the Bilstein version. Although it has been looked into buy other members and Bilstein says it’s not possible.
     
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    Toyota changed them for name/branding, thats it. Valving/tuning can all be adjusted and made how you want it.
     
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    The trd pro bilstein shocks are progressive from what I read.
     
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    That's kinda out of character for Bilstein if that's the case.
     
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