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Considering Storage Shed.

Discussion in 'Home Improvement' started by OBXTundra, Aug 7, 2018.

  1. Aug 7, 2018 at 6:40 AM
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    My garage is overflowing, it's an oversized 1 car with a 9x9 door. But it is currently full of bikes, kids toys, camping gear, dirt bikes, and storage containers. It is impossible to work in and definitely can not pull a vehicle in more than a few feet. I want to reclaim my garage as an actual work space and be able to pull a vehicle in when necessary.

    My current solution, which I've been pondering for a few weeks, is to purchase a 12x28 lofted barn for the back yard. The yard is large and access will not be a problem. The structure has 2 large storage lofts on either end. This would ideally empty my entire garage and then some.

    See attached picture for style, same structure, but 28' long.

    I have a local Graceland Buildings dealer. Graceland's quality is excellent, most issues and negative reviews seem to be from those who financed their buildings, this would be a cash purchase.
    -Treated runners, floor joists, plywood, and siding.
    -Metal roof with full sheathing and heat barrier.
    -Full length ridge and soffit vents.

    Has anyone purchased a shed/storage building recently?
    Anything to consider?
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  2. Aug 7, 2018 at 6:53 AM
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    I'm going to be buying a prefabbed as well. My BIL and FIL both stick built theirs and when I told them the price of the 8' x 12' 16"OC, they said that it was comparable. And to know they just come and plop it down instead of taking up 2-3 weekends, I'm ok for the little bit extra than to stick build.
     
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    @OBXTundra Do you plan to have a concrete foundation or footings for the structure? My only reservation on the pre-built structures is the floor is typically based on wood floor joist. My preferred method would be to have a solid concrete slab then have traditional walls and roof built on top of that. The advantages to having a modular pre-built is it can be relocated or moved if needed. Just a few ideas to think about. I would also recommend to reseal the exterior T1-11 sheets on it to prolong the life of the wood.
     
  4. Aug 7, 2018 at 7:19 AM
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    This was something else that I was considering. There is some cost savings to be had, but my free time and labor is also valuable to me. There is something nice about having the building dropped in place and ready to use. Plus going with Graceland I don't feel like I would do anything differently or better. They use treated lumber where I would, galvanized ring shank nails, metal roof with 25 year baked on paint, and vinyl windows.

    @1UPPER the structure will be on 4x6 treated runners, 2x6 treated joists 16" OC, and treated 5/8 plywood for the floor. I will be having my buddy do a little leveling with some fine gravel, and then the building will set on 4" concrete blocks. I considered a slab and stick built or steel as well. I think if I didn't currently have a garage this would be the way i would go. Where I live a shed permit is pennies compared to a building permit. Throw in the cost of concrete and it's just out of my budget for right now. If mortgage rates were still low I might have considered taking a little equity out of the house to pay for a building, but I've got to work within my available funds on this project. The T1-11 comes stained/sealed. I will be hitting it with a coat of Sherwin Williams Woodscapes sometime this fall and then every 2-3 years thereafter.
     
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    The woodscapes is a good exterior stain. After you stain the T1-11 you can put clear silicone around the trim. This will help ensure that water doesn’t get behind the backside of the unsealed trim and warp or rot the lumber over the years. It’s an inexpensive but effective solution.
     
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    You are going to pay out the nose. I just recently went through this decision and ended up just building my own. I am glad I did - the quality is better, the layout and look is exactly what I wanted, and I saved a ton of coin.

    A previous poster said that the price was comparable between stick built and pre-fabbed. I am not sure where they are buying materials, but mine was literally 1/3 of the cost of a prefab.
     
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    Not really. This 12x28 building, 336 sq/ft, with two 8' lofts on each end (another 192 sq/ft of storage space) will be $7,531 total (building, delivery, setup, and tax). It is all pressure treated lumber, flooring and siding are both 5/8. I wouldn't do anything differently if i built it myself. 7 year warranty on all craftsmanship and materials.

    I roughly priced out the materials this morning, with a distributor that I deal with at work regularly, and lumber alone is coming out to $3800ish. Fasteners/nails will be another $400ish.
    Items that would still need to be added...
    -Metal roofing
    -Thermal shield
    -Roofing fasteners
    -2 vinyl windows
    -Soffit vent
    -drip edge, flashing, trim, door hardware, hurricane ties, roof truss ties....
    -Exterior stain/sealer
    -Door hinges/hardware

    I maybe could save $1200-$1500 if I built it myself, but that's not guaranteed and I'm all too familiar with my home improvement projects incurring unforeseen expenses. This would be 2-3 full weekends of my time, my time is very valuable to me. The lumber would be dropped in the driveway and I would need to get it all to the backyard myself. It's worth it to me to have the building dropped in place and ready to use.
     
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    I am literally finishing up my current shed project. Real numbers from my experience:

    quoted pre-fab price: $8200.

    My price for all materials (lumber/fasteners/roofing/permit/etc): $2650. That includes all pressure treated materials for the floor. I didn't have the lumber delivered - I picked it up myself.

    I understand the time is valuable thing - this shed has taken quite a while - I work on it when I can in my spare time, and I started about a month ago. But, in my experience, I saved $5500 doing it myself.

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    That's a really nice looking shed. I wished I have room for something like that.
     
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    The lumber isn't the issue for me in price, it would be the concrete. My town, they require a pad with a 12" x 6" footing, 4" of stone, then 2" of concrete on top of that. I can get a prefab 8 x 12 for $2,500 delivered and set up.
     
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    So I just did a double take on your specs - I didn't register the size of your building. You guys have some seriously cheap prices where you are. I looked at 3 different places locally here and $8200 was the cheapest quote I got for a shed half the size of what you are talking about. So, I retract everything I said. If you could find something that size that cheap - then go for it.
     
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    Nice shed and definitely made sense to do it yourself. Looks like a 10x16? Not knocking your pricing, but we're not exactly apples-to-apples. The building that I'm looking to have dropped in my yard is a 12x28 for $7531 total cost, that's less than your quoted price for your size unit. I do believe I live in a very good area for cost of living, price of goods, and price of labor. I had a 20x20 master suite addition built off the back of my house last year with moderate/high level finishes for $47k. Our average cost for finished construction around here is $120 sq/ft, 5 hours south in Charleston, SC my brother-in-law is able to charge $200 sq/ft for a home with modest finishes.

    I have attached a picture of the exact shed sitting on the dealers lot.

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    Now you are mis-guided. That isn't a shed. That is a barn. LOL.
     
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    Yep, something that size would be triple or quadruple that easy here.

    My shed is 12'X14'. Why the odd size? Because I asked the wife how big of a shed I could make, so she went out and laid out the footprint. It was 12'X14'. :)
     
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    Has anyone used Tuff Shed? I’m considering getting one from them. The prices seem decent. I could probably build it cheaper if not for the fact that I’m total shit at building things. (My Best In State 8th grade shop medal notwithstanding.)
     
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    I looked at them too. Seemed expensive at the time, but I haven't compared it to the one I am currently looking at. So I am no help.
     
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    I've never owned one but I've checked out their sheds at Home Depot. They appeared to be well made.
     
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    Guaranteed wind, rodent and water proof.
     
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    In VA code requires footers for a shed that size. Even on skids. When I had mine built the company pulled a permit. Had to do inspection of the footers. Not a huge deal, 12"diameter but something to consider.
     
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    My location in NC it will require a certain amount of hurricane pins/ties underneath. That is for the company to figure out at setup. Sheds are treated just about the same as mobile homes here.
     
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    Yeah I said in VA. But it's by locality. My SIL lives in Moyock and had to get 100 mph rated doors for his garage.
     
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    I've got the 100mph garage door as well. I'm in a wind zone, but not a flood zone. I went with Dade county rated shingles on the house last year as well.

    But still, the town only wants to see hurricane strapping underneath similar to a mobile home. I'm fine with that. I think a footing with anchors would be a little overkill for something that already weighs 6000 lbs. A tornado should be the only thing that could carry this away or flip it.
     
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    What a small world! Just last Friday 8/3 I had a 12x10 shed built to also get all the kids crap out of my 3 car garage.

    I found a local company here in Ohio that didn’t skimp out on the lumber. 12” on center floor joists, 16” on center walls and roof, 5/8” thick walls, floor and roof in plywood. Frame was 2x4 & 2x6 with piano hinged doors. Included was 2 windows and 2 shelves on back wall all for $ 2,600 tax included. If I painted the shed they would warranty for 5 years. Without paint 2 years. I added solar powered motion lights on both ends. Super bright!

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    I got a Tuff Shed about 4 yrs ago. It’s 8 X 16 and I use it for my solar shed (batteries, inverter, controller, etc). My place is off-grid in NW AZ.
    I’m very happy with it. They delivered and put it together in one day. I already had a 4 X 4 frame sitting on concrete columns ready when they arrived. About a month ago I started making a porch for it.

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    How does the Tuff Shed process work?
    Who was your dealer?
    Did you purchase direct?

    Thanks
     
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    I made one into a dog house. The only thing I would add, is to put some nice landscape pavers around the edge. It looks good and frames it in, acts as a side walk but most importantly give the rain something to hit when running off roof.

    Otherwise without gutters the edge around your shed will develop a "ditch", and when it rains the mud will splatter up on your shed walls. I put the pavers on a slight grade so the water would run away from the shed as well.

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    In AZ they deal through Home Depot.
     
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    My BFF had a Graceland building dropped at his place a few years ago. The quality vs. price was great in my opinion. it is still looks brand new. Also, I believe Graceland will move the building for little to no cost to a new residence if they decide to move.
     
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    I have pretty much settled on Graceland. The materials and features that they are able to include for the price is excellent. Plus they are the only company around here that delivers with the Mule and dolly system, they can basically get the unit perfectly set anywhere it can fit. I can fit the unit easily down the side of my house and maneuver it through the backyard. But there is no way that a truck+gooseneck is going to get the shed where I want it.
     
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    My only recommendation would be to put the doors on one side of the shed. My dad just recently had a shed custom made and dropped at his house, the whole left side is doors that swing open. IMO its a lot easier to drive a riding lawn mower into a shed that opens that way.

    He also had a really big window stuck on the side where your door would be, it faces south. He grows seeds for his garden in that window, there are fold down workbenches all along that side of the shed, pretty slick. It also has a loft over half of the space.

    The other side has built in shelves, works perfect for storing all his lawnmowers, roto-tiller, and a bunch of other crap that was in the garage, now he has a good bit of workshop space where that crap was before(he's also really lucky that their house has a huge ass 2 car garage, you could park 2 regular cars in that left bay its so deep)
     

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