New Titan VS New Tundra

I remember reading about Honda's first pickup truck. They ran it with a Toyota pickup truck on a washboard road and it blew out all its bushings. The truck was taken to the dealership who replaced the bushings but claimed they must have abused it. They advised the dealership that it was driven like the Toyota and the Toyota didn't suffer any damage.

 

I'm not a fan of 6's or turbos for heavy duty applications. So you have six cylinders doing the work of eight. As six divides 360 degrees into 60 degrees of rotation that each cylinder must provide. An eight only has to provide 45 degrees of movement for each cylinder. This is a reduction of 25 percent and theoretically a smoother engine since there is smaller amount of movement by each cylinder but more of them. (I once had a car with a V12 that was fantastically smooth when it ran until the next electrical failure.) A turbo introduces additional moving parts and heat into the system that must be compensated for and another source of expensive failure. Granted you do get some weight reduction in the engine, but is it significant enough to justify the extra complexity.

Just my opinion. Probably off.

 

That's why inline 6's should still be a thing.

 

My Titan was extremely reliable. I just traded in my 2005 Titan that I drove for 13 years for my Tundra. That engine still ran like it was new. In 13 years, the only thing I had happen was one sensor went out and I just plugged in a new sensor. Otherwise, my Titan ran perfect for 13 years.

It was so reliable that I was shopping for a new Titan but then I test drove my Tundra and it was game over.

 

Depreciation on Titan is hilariously bad. If you want a Titan, get a 2 or 3 yr old platinum reserve XD at a massive discount.

 

Great comparison! They look exactly the same! You need to sell that Tundra and get yourself into something you like..

 

Like the slant six in my 65 Plymouth?

 

Same with the '04 my dad had. He beat the hell out of that thing and never once had an issue. I don't even think he changed the oil lol. I really liked that truck. But I don't feel like the new ones are built the same.

 

Never had a problem with my WRX and it is 380hp. Turbo in a F150? No thanks. Actually, i wouldn't do a turbo in a domestic application at all, although their Focus RS is more European than American. Still wouldn't trust it.

 

Not an in-line but the first V6 I owned was a ‘67 GMC 3/4ton, 305ci if I remember right. I rebuilt the engine and those jugs were BIG!

 

I'll take the Tundra.

Look at the problems Car and Driver had with their test mule in just 40k miles. The new emissions restrictions just makes diesels too unreliable, complicated, and expensive for me to want one unless absolutely necessary.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2016-nissan-titan-xd-long-term-test-review

 

I agree. I drive Diesels at work and they are constantly throwing codes.

 

I'll probably get flamed for saying it, but I agree that the Tundra isn't the best looking thing - especially the 3rd gens. I don't mind the look of the 2nd gens - but they aren't my favorite. That sort of weighed on me quite a bit when I bought my 2nd gen. I wasn't getting the truck that I thought "looked" the best. I think that the HD Rams look the best hands down. However, at the time I was still under the influence of the after effects of the 2005 4Runner that I had. That thing was the best vehicle I have ever owned. No problems whatsoever in 9 years and 110,000 miles. So, I made the "wise" choice and bough the Tundra because it was pretty capable, fast, and "reliable". I hear that all the time on Tundra website - "our trucks are reliable". Well, mine hasn't been that stellar. And now it is making a new noise that I get to hunt down. Fun.

Now as for the Titan - that is one ugly-ass MOFO. As someone previously mentioned, beauty is in the eye of the beholder - but come on, that Titan has a face only a mother could like. Hell, I bet even it's mother throws up in her mouth a little each time she looks directly at it. And the "Cummins" in it is a baby one. Why did they do that? Go big or go home.

 

Nah, you have every right to your opinion. I did not like all my chrome and once I got rid of it I think my Tundra is one of the best 1/2 tons on the road. Before that I was not a fan of the front end at all..

 

And like the 2J in my car.

 

The last two trucks I’ve purchased (Tacoma in 06, Tundra in 17), I never sat in or test drove. There wasn’t a point in it because no matter how it felt, I knew it was the best in its class.

If you second guess for a second whether these trucks are the way to go.... just buy a Prius

 

I really don't care about the looks of the truck, pretty subjective. My 2010 Tundra Crewmax has 42k miles on it, the ride is pretty bad on the highway if there is any type of expansion joint, my bed is rusting out in the front corners and I have cam tower leaks. None of those items are covered under warranty, and they are very costly to have fixed. Spec wise on paper the Tundra CM and Titan crew cab are very similar, I can get the Titan for $6k to $7k less money and it is better equipped. The Titan has a 5 year 100k mile bumper to bumper warranty. I am very tempted to switch at this point, BTW I have had 8 new Toyota trucks in the past 30 years.

 

If you went from a Tundra to a Titan without ever driving a Titan you are in for a big shock when first driving the Titan. The Titan steering is so incredibly heavy it's tough to explain. It's not power steering failed heavy, but it is significant. It's little things like that that make a test drive a good thing. I didn't do one when I bought my 2016 but I was coming from a 2010 Tundra, and since it's mechanically the same I felt no reason to test drive it, but if I was going to a different brand I would want one just to see if there's any surprises like the heavy steering.

 

Drove vehicles made with thick steel panels instead of plastics... oh, and those cute little reflective things on the sides of the car - i still use those even with the backup camera (camera mostly keeps me from driving over bikes and kids)

 

only truck that gets me considering is a power wagon. Then I remember its a ram.

 

responding to what others have said, sorry, i dont have much to say about the Nissan Titan.

I was disappointed with the electronics of the vehicle when i first started looking at them (Tundras). I had a 2013 optima with keyless entry, remote start, electronic dash, cooled and heated seats, etc...I bought a 2017 Tundra. Like going back in time 10 years lol

I did a bunch of research. Fords seems alright - oh wait, everyone complains about turbos starting to cause problems around 30-60k mi (condensation build up or something).
I've always liked the looks of the dodge's, but the RAM 1500 still has rampant transmission issues at around 50k mi for many.
Briefly glanced at Chevy/GMC, but the sticker price seemed astronomical.

Ended up in the Tundra for 2 (very related) reasons. It's the top truck in it's class for reliability \ resale. It's 5-10k cheaper than major competitors. ... I think the long generations lets them work out the bugs and have several years of a reliable truck. you also dont have to pay for the R&D for toyota to try out a new engine in their truck every 3 years.

I did bitch about the gas mileage a bit, but as others have said, the lower purchase price and improved reliability (less shop visits) more than makes up for what you'll pay in petrol.

 

The true testament of a vehicle is at resale. Toyota's have the highest percentage resell values. Drive by a used car lots and you will see it full of Dodges, GM/Chevrolet, and Fords. Toyota's are rare as hen's teeth on used car lots. According to a report I saw recently, the vehicles with the highest percentage residual value at resale after five years are in order: Tacoma, Tundra, and 4Runner.

I think this was a German saying: Kissing doesn't last, cooking does.

You can afford to buy a new car every three or four years, buy whatever you like. It should last. Keeping it five or more years or forever, buy a Toyota.

 

Sticker price may be cheaper, but Tundras definitely aren't cheaper overall. Dealers in my area are advertising crew cab 4x4 LTZ Silverados with the 6.2L and more features than a Platinum Tundra for $40k... That's about $7-8k less than what you can negotiate for a Platinum Tundra. Ford and Ram also have high stickers but frequently offer $10k+ off.

Again, is this resale value based on sticker or purchase price? Sure, if you're paying sticker for a $60k Sierra or F150 you're gonna take a huge hit at resale, but if you pay what you should be paying then I bet it's not all that different from a Toyota.

 

Fair enough, I stopped looking at compeditors after I started seeing true cost of ownership numbers and the reliability scores.

The msrp was just another strike for me against the others.... I can’t be the only one: I doubt many people looks at a sticker and says - “oh yeah, they’ll knock 15-20k off of that” - especially since haggling isn’t really the norm for our culture. I don’t haggle with the grocery store clerk: “How about you knock 20% or I’ll take my business down the street? Thanks.”

 

I agree, I wish all manufacturers were like Tesla and cut out the unnecessary dealers. Just have a single reasonable price for each model/trim/features/etc, then have the occasional sale. Unfortunately, haggling is necessary with some dealers. The dealer I bought from initially assumed I was an idiot and quoted me a price over MSRP for my Tundra. After I laughed that off we got down to business, but they have no problem trying to take advantage of you if you let them.

 

I saw a new Titan Saturday evening an it had one fog light out. I almost walked over and asked the dude how much he liked his Titan. Then I was going to mention the fog light and say that is why I bought a Tundra. I was one drink short of doing that.

 

I've always wondered why they would put such a high price and then immediately knock off 8-15k. Is it because they know nobody will pay that much for the junk they are selling?

 

And that is why you can pick a used one up for dirt cheap in a year or two..

 

Had a Gen 1 Tundra 2wd. Got stuck one too many times, bought a 2009 Titan PRO 4X. Bought Gen 3 to replace Titan when, at 135K highway miles, I was not confident it was "safe" to road trip in any longer. The Titan had various problems through its life. Several known issues Nissan chose not to deal with like trans cooler hoses and front U joints.

 

What about the Colorado? Lol. Saw this yesterday in Gresham, Oregon. Looks pretty bad ass