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Replacing the 2018 grille with a TRD Pro grille (Law and Liability Question)

Discussion in '2.5 Gen Tundras (2014-2021)' started by He_need_some_milk, Dec 2, 2017.

  1. Dec 2, 2017 at 9:12 PM
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    He_need_some_milk

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    I'm wanting to replace my grille on my 2018 limited to a TRD Pro grille which will eliminate the safety sense features on the truck.

    Kind of an odd question but say something bad happened and you got in an accident that could of been prevented if you had the safety sense system working. Maybe you injure someone in the accident (God forbid kill someone) would you be personally liable and charged because you took away a safety feature that came with the vehicle? Now, the features can be turned off on the truck but if you turn the truck off and start it up the features get reset and its comes back on so you have to disable the features every time you start the truck. So Toyota has given us the option to electronically remove the features which makes me think that this would not cause a personal liability issue.

    What do you all think?
     
  2. Dec 2, 2017 at 9:20 PM
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    BakNBlk2014

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    I think that if your 2018 grill will fit my truck and if you are close to Virginia Beach I might be interested in giving you a little scratch for it. Go umbrella insurance on top of your reg coverage because you know somebody is going to sue you sooner or later for something totally their own fault. Signed....The Cynic.
    Also, can someone confirm the 2018 grills will fit on a 14 and up. Thanks.
     
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  3. Dec 2, 2017 at 10:14 PM
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    ColoradoTJ

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    Plain and simple, no. Did the 2017 Tundra come with this device? No.

    I’m willing to bet there will be a bypass of this system shortly. I have had a few PMs about this already.
     
  4. Dec 3, 2017 at 5:59 AM
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    I think you are really over thinking it.

    If something "really bad" happened, nobody is going to know (or check to find out) that your 2018 had safety sensors that might have prevented it and that you disabled that sensor when you replaced the grill.

    Life isn't like an episode of CSI. Traffic investigations aren't that thorough.
     
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  5. Dec 3, 2017 at 7:37 AM
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    This is just an added feature.

    Now if you disconnected your rear brakes so you could burn out easier, that is a core function of your vehicle safety and then, could possibly be charged with negligence.
     
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    I had the same question but for a different reason. I’m more concerned with a blinking light on the dash of my new truck than someone sueing.
    I really want the Pro grill and I’m hoping someone comes up with a bypass or way to relocate the TSS system.
     
  7. Jan 9, 2018 at 5:20 AM
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    Blackeagle91

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    Im new to this website now and was curious if there was some sort of bypass to eliminate that tss stuff and no dashboard lights. Any updates anyone know of?
     
  8. Jan 9, 2018 at 5:55 AM
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    First i have seen people add the PRO grill to the 2018 and move the sensor down and they have been able to keep it working. Some have just needed to re-calibrate it, but the hard part there is finding a dealer to do it for you. Not all of them will do it, Toyota is kinda dropping the hammer on us for lifting these or modifying the grill area.

    2nd regarding law, technically yes & no, Yes you are assuming liability if you disable the TSS system, but on the other hand no. It is a Pre-Collision system, keyword collision, if pre-collision is ever fully engaged your hitting something, its job is to detect the crash and start early safety deployment. But your last part is your saving point correct since you can turn it off thru the cluster, Personally i don't think anyone would go that far.
     
  9. Jan 9, 2018 at 7:25 AM
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    I am not sure if you would be held liable or partially at fault because you can temporarily disable the TSS-P features. With that said your truck (like all other late model vehicles) has an event recorder that can be accessed by law enforcement after an accident without your permission. It is covered in the owner manual.

    I can see why the Toyota dealer doesn't want to re-align or calibrate the safety related sensors.....if it messes up it will be on them.
     
  10. Jan 9, 2018 at 5:40 PM
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    The Safety Sense system cannot prevent others from hitting you. They can help prevent you from hitting others. So your question assumes that you hit someone else, causing damage and/or injury. Whether you hit someone else with Safety Sense working or disabled is irrelevant. The fact is that you hit someone else, which makes you liable and negligent already.

    Now, the better question is "are you criminally negligent for knowingly defeating a safety system that may have prevented an accident that injured someone else?" Proving someone is "criminally negligent" requires a higher bar. This is left to be litigated in courts.
     
  11. Jan 9, 2018 at 5:49 PM
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    see my post above
     
  13. Jan 9, 2018 at 6:53 PM
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    None, yet....

    Just want to clarify for the future, but your info is incorrect. It’s job is not to deploy anything. It’s to detect and help prevent collisions from distracted drivers, people not paying attention, etc. if your statement was true, the bags would start deploying anytime it was set off. You can set the system off and not hit anything, that is design intent. It’s called pre-collision because it starts taking control prior to a collision. It uses the milliwave sensor up front to detect on coming targets.
     
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  14. Jan 10, 2018 at 5:47 AM
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    I know how the system works and designed. We have had classes on them. Yes it uses all those sensor and does what it can, starts applying brakes and warning sounds, that part is correct, but pre-deployment is part of it, when it detects collision is unavoidable. I guess was a little broad on using the word deployment I don't necessarily refer to the airbags, but as to the safety systems.
     
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