2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

I thought the console looked fine but maybe I didn't look that close.

The Pilot doesn't have arm rests?

 

So the 22 doesn’t have like a flow through console stack. It’s low and uses arm rests unlike the 23. And I couldn’t get comfortable

 

With high interest rates, used values going to shit and demand slumping my joy rides are over.

it’s back to one car for the long run lol

 

ya they sure are, I just got offered 30K flat for my tundra so looks like thats it.

 

I like the arm rests. I also much prefer the 22 centre screen/dash layout.

 

I prefer the 22 dash too. And the accord is getting a larger screen than the pilot. Like wtf lol

 

Tundras have been generally extremely reliable for the 1st and 2nd gens. So the issues are pretty new with the 3rd gen.

I agree that the 3rd gen Taco is generally too gutless for most people, but that’s not a reliability issue.

 

That's been my whole point all along in this thread. I have, historically, been a huge Toyota fan. I've owned half a dozen over the years with the 2003 Tundra being my absolute favorite truck. Was such a good size, great power, super nice, high quality materials. But 2003 was a long time ago, and they don't make 'em like they used to.

 

Yup on the used car markets.
One only needs to look at the share price of these used car companies on the stock market to see where sentiment lies.
As we know Stock Markets are forward thinking.
And as soon as any of these companies default on loans, the lenders will take the inventory and sell to wholesalers.
Where do you think this causes prices to go ?

Well, one can look at this as doom and gloom or opportunity.
JMO

 

I will say not all car values are in the shit. Tundra is still doing well, new gen that is. But even my crv carvana paid me $40.9k just 2 months ago. Today $32k. Other dealerships are 35-38k on it

 

I agree. I love the 1st gens. A friend has a really nice 05 that I’m going to start helping him maintain. My truck is the closest I could get to that buying new. It’s a brand new 2007 with slightly different sheet metal, LEDs, dual climate, radar cruise, and CarPlay. I got it with 3 miles on the odometer. It meets all my needs (fits my crew plus gear, takes us to very remote places and back, tows 8k no sweat even if I’m a little over GVWR). I’ve been piling on the miles (36k now), and it refuses to give me any headaches.

If Toyota gives us an actual CAPABLE truck built around the ‘22’s insanely torquey hybrid drivetrain—just give us 2k lbs of payload like a 1990s Hilux for crying out loud—I will be interested. Otherwise, and it pains me to say it, the next truck for my growing family will most likely be domestic HD. My grandpa would cry tears of joy if I showed up to his place in a Godzilla F250. Every time I pull into his driveway in my Tundra or LX, he mutters something about Pearl Harbor

 

Holy cow I didn’t realize carvana dropped that much. Most platforms have halted trading it

 

Well today is Pearl Harbor Day so maybe stay away from his place until tomorrow.

 

Indeed. I bet he mentions something about me driving Toyotas today.

I had my LX on jack stands in the driveway when my grandparents came over for Thanksgiving. I was halfway through fitting larger Tundra brakes on the front end (highly recommended mod for a 200 series) when I realized I didn't have the proper drill bit to ream out the caliper mounts. Couldn't find anything worthy locally, so I was waiting on a reamer bit from Amazon I found on the LC forum. He took a picture of my LX on jack stands and said he was going to show his retired buddies. Mostly Ford guys. I told him, "Well, you see, when a Lexus is on jack stands, the owner is performing modifications. This is very different from when you see a Ford on jack stands. That just means something's wrong." He laughed. We give each other a hard time often.

 

Imagine that inventory hitting the market at wholesale prices. Not saying it's inevitable, but it would be a blood bath.

 

What's happening to Carvana is why I have been strictly in funds and few to no individual stocks for quite a few years. Months ago My dumbass would've been like "Used car company? How can you lose money in this environment?" Would've hit the buy button, turned my attention to other things, then found half my money gone when I woke up just after the first dose of bad news pre market one morning.

 

Yeah I’ve stopped trading individual options and back to just funds. I’ve purchased a few individual like Exxon, Costco, and Apple but nothing major.

 

Not to go off rails completely but I am going to take the dividends from something else this month to buy my first tiny slice of a Gold ETF later this month to start building on and then once I am into that I will look to make value plays going forward on Dow stocks but that is about it. I’m not smart enough for much more than that.

 

Come on 200 series prices!

Can I supercharge an 8 speed 200?

 

I'm pretty sure you can. I think XO supercharged the Lexus LX570 concept vehicle.

 

Why yes. Yes you can. Lots of info at IH8MUD. Here’s a thread on a Harrop’d LX. It’s a 6sp, but whatever. There are other threads mentioning 2016+ SC’d LCs. https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/lx-570-harrop-supercharger-stage-1-and-2-impressions.1260826/

I wound up jumping on a super clean 6speed, which is why I did the brake mod. Lots of people who have had both say there’s no real meaningful difference between the early and later 200 series trucks. Mine doesn’t have a heated steering wheel or adaptive cruise. Not a big deal to me. The brakes are very noticeable, however. But I have Tundra brakes on mine, not 2016+ 200 series brakes.

 

Whenever I have looked, I couldnt find anyone that could tune the 2016+ with the 8 speed. HPTuners and VFTuner say they only support up to 2015, so I wasnt sure how they were flashing the actual tune. If you ask Harrop about it, I think they just leave the tuning up to a third party, but I dont know who that is.

 

Yeah that info is scarce. People post about SC’d 2016+ 200s over at Mud, but I didn’t find a build thread about any of those particular trucks after a cursory search.

 

Weird. I do know that I have looked at both my Lexus GX tune and 5.7 Tundra tunes in VFtuner and they look like they are setup from the factory to accept boost.The maps have air loads greater than 1 which means boost.

The guy in that link you posted says hes on the stock tune. I dont know if that means the Toyota stock tune or stock Harrop tune. That seems slightly scary only because the AFR's set points might be a little loose for boost and cam timing probably isnt great. VFTuner has a great write up on the TRD Supercharger tunes and how they can be used as a solid base for the Magnusson and Harrop superchargers.

 

He’s stage 2 now with HPTuners. Read post 59 onward…

“513 all-wheel hp
563 all-wheel torque
9psi per boost gauge
80mm pulley
ARH long tubes with cats, stock LX exhaust
Prospeed fuel system

Mustang Dyno MD-AWD-500”

 

Won't surprise me.

 

Andre is selling his F150 Hybrid online if anyone is interested in bidding.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhixgBjGM34

 

Not b/c anything was wrong with it tho. Jealous that the PB engine is superior to our iForceMax in MPG and has a bonus generator.

 

I feel like when Tundra gets some mileage out of the redesign and they finally feel pressed to freshen it to keep people interested two thing that could happen are some tuning trick to pull 20 or 30 more hp and pounds of torque out of it and an inverter of some size or another gets thrown in in 2-3 years.

 

Thats awesome. I bought my GX in Feb of 2020, before the pandemic and before the used car prices went through the roof. I regret not coughing up the money for a Land cruiser.

This is the second time i have done that too. I bought a 2006 Jeep Liberty CRD and at the same time was looking at the 2007-2008 Grand Cherokee CRD’s. They were running about 50% more at the time, so I went cheap and bought the Liberty, and really regret it looking back. Id probably still be driving the GC today instead of the GX