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May go back to the 5.7

Discussion in '2.5 Gen Tundras (2014-2021)' started by Iggy1010, Jul 10, 2022.

  1. Jul 28, 2022 at 3:21 PM
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    Wahayes

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  2. Jul 28, 2022 at 3:22 PM
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    Key phrase "pre variable displacement"
     
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  3. Jul 28, 2022 at 3:24 PM
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    I wanted a faster vehicle so I also bought a Chevy SS... because 4 door sedans with big V8’s are hilarious.
    Yeah the variable displacement models are problematic at best. Particularly the 6.2L because dumb dumbs not only don't keep up with oil changes but also want to feed them 87 Octane which is a bad bad idea.
     
  4. Jul 28, 2022 at 3:27 PM
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    I wanted a faster vehicle so I also bought a Chevy SS... because 4 door sedans with big V8’s are hilarious.
    In a pre-pandemic market the Tundra was not flying off of lots. Sales were lagging. That is a sign of an uncompetitive offering.

    The current market sees the worst, stupidest, least reliable, least desirable vehicles still selling as fast as the manufacturers can crank the shit boxes out. I mean Mitsubishi dealers don't have inventory for crying out loud. So observing that 2021 Tundras all sold out is a reflection of the market, not the merit of a relative antique.

    2017 Tundra sales barely holding steady:

    https://tfltruck.com/2018/01/2017-pickup-truck-usa-sales-war-summary-won/

    2018 Tundra sales grow at a rate below industry average:

    https://tfltruck.com/2019/01/year-wrap-up-what-is-the-best-selling-truck-in-2018-here-you-go/

    2019 Tundra sales decline:

    https://tfltruck.com/2020/01/ram-ou...nd-worst-selling-trucks-of-2019-sales-report/

    2020 Tundra sales decline again, along with everyone else. First year of COVID-19:

    https://tfltruck.com/2021/01/2020-sales-report-news/

    2021 Tundra sales were particularly abysmal, but again COVID-19 supply chain issues affect the entire segment:

    https://tfltruck.com/2022/01/sales-...-bad-year-in-2021-gm-trucks-are-still-on-top/
     
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  5. Jul 30, 2022 at 1:17 PM
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    I've had a 2007 5.7 that I bought new, and replaced with a 2019 5.7 that I bought new.

    And to try to get the best MPG you have to drive so slow and gingerly. Use the torque while trying to keep the revs super low.

    And even doing all that the mileage is still tundra mileage. Nothing to write home about.

    I'm pretty sure that to beat the 5.7 v8 mileage with the turbo v6, you would have to drive it extra extra slow all the time, to barely beat the old v8 mpg. And I'm talking both trucks empty, unloaded.

    Only if you pussy-foot it will you see an improvement.

    But if you load it up with weight or drive with a heavier foot, where you access more horsepower, It all becomes negligible.

    It's been proven smaller engines under load will need to use more fuel to do the same work.

    I don't have faith the turbo v6 will last as long is the v8, in terms of reliability.

    Also, Toyota went to the v6 so they could improve their CAFE (corporate average fleet economy) rating.

    They get to claim that the v6 turbo is releasing less co2. It helps their bottom line. Doesn't help the end consumer, us.

    I'm never selling my'19 tundra


    P.S. no one here cares, but, BMW last week built the last V12 engine for themselves. They will go longer manufacture or use a V12 engine for themselves. They still will make it for their rolls Royce line.

    Point is, everything's changing.
    V12s going away, next v8's, then everything will be electric. All manufacturers will start axing stuff over the next decade.

    Times are changing.
    Toyota probably wants the v6 turbo to last for 5-10'years of production, then go full electric.
     
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  6. Jul 30, 2022 at 1:38 PM
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    You're right, the tundra was getting uncompetitive. But I think it was the gimmicks that every other manufacturer has that sold people into believing the other trucks are better than the tundra.

    But as time went on, and the details of the gen3 came out, many realized that "old school truck formula" of the 2nd/2.5 gen was all we needed.

    All of a sudden people realized maybe we should stick to the old formula of a truck.
    And the 2.5 tundra regained popularity.


    Also. The cab interior dimensions of gen 3 are almost the same as the gen 2/2.5
    But Toyota put in dash that juts out in more places than the older model, and rear seat cushions that are noticeably larger, that take away a few inches of leg room

    All these bulkier interior bits, in the same cabin volume, means less space for the occupants.

    That's why the new tundra feels more cramped inside. Same size space, but filled. with bigger furniture. Means less room for you.

    I don't think all the compromises they made for the gen3 are a benefit for those who prefer utility over vanity.

    If you like a truck because you like looking at a dash that's "pretty and gimmicky" get a gen 3. If you like your truck to be for utility, and you appreciate having room inside for yourself, and a truck that's reliable, get a gen 2.5


    Here in Los Angeles, many dealers bought up 21 model year TUNDRAs, because they know that will be the most desirable gen 2.5 to people in a few years.

    I know a few people who got 2021 models to drive for a few years, with the belief that can get all their money back and then some.

    2021 tundra sold well because many want to profit.
    I think people are realizing things are charging, and some want to grab a hold of the gen 2.5 before it's too late
     
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  7. Jul 31, 2022 at 5:47 AM
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    This is one helluva point to make. I feel the exact same way. If I feel like I "settled," I'll be tempted to buy another. If I buy what I actually want, I will see it through to the end.

    Ran my 05 F150 til the frame gave. In the market now for a new truck, but been biding my time. Still not sure if I want the 17-21 MY or the 22+, but this comment hit home for sure
     
  8. Aug 1, 2022 at 7:47 AM
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    I used to really feel this way. It gutted me when the new or updated version of a car I own would come out. I've changed over the years and don't feel that way anymore. All three of my vehicles are last of model year versions and I have no issue with that. For our 2019 Highlander, I waited until the new 2020s came out, decided I didn't like the new hybrid powertrain, so I grabbed an outgoing version and have no complaints. When Lexus announced there would be no 2021 GS350, I quickly grabbed one of the last 2020s. And for the Tundra, I waited until the new one was revealed before buying my 2021. I love the new 3rd gens, and I'll probably get one eventually, but I really liked the outgoing Tundra so I grabbed one while I could. I'll hold on to it for several years before changing as I'm super happy with it. Actually, I'm going to hold on to this entire lineup of current vehicles for quite some time before we make any changes. I'm super happy with what we have.

    I totally, totally get your point though.
     
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  9. Aug 1, 2022 at 7:55 AM
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    Henry1jg

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    Luckily for me in this scenario, my main version of feeling as if I settled, would be if I didn't buy a Tundra. Lol. I would def feel like I didn't get the best of best with latest Tundra tech if I didn't go 2022+, but my practical side wants a 14-18 to have the best longevity in the game. Either way, no matter which way I go, the tech blows the 05 F150 I've had forever out of the water

    Smart play on buying the last MY before the remodel. Love it
     
  10. Aug 1, 2022 at 7:56 AM
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    Seems unhealthy to be so controlled by new things, especially 50k things. I’d get a handle on that asap. Buy 5-10+ years old and keep it for as long as possible :)
     

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