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Looking to buy a hybrid for a second car

Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussion' started by snomoman, Jun 5, 2022.

  1. Jun 5, 2022 at 6:02 AM
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    Hello all, my wife’s Hyundai Sonata is in need of replacement, I’m looking for a hybrid replacement, not a full plug-in hybrid but a gas /hybrid combination, I’m planning on buying a new 2022 one, the Hyundai Sonata hybrid is rated number one, Honda Accord hybrid number two, Toyota Camry hybrid number three, I’m leaning towards the Sonata but I hear it’s pretty sluggish, does anybody have any of these 2022 year cars and what you do think about them? Thank you in advance for your advice
     
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    My wife drives a 2012 hybrid Camry and we love it. Mostly highway driving and she gets 41 mpg. 182,000 miles with zero issues.
     
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  3. Jun 5, 2022 at 6:12 AM
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    Thanks for the info, I wasn’t specific in the first post, I edited it to reflect that I’m interested in buying a new 2022 model
     
  4. Jun 5, 2022 at 6:22 AM
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    Camry by a mile if you value reliability. I had a 2012 and it was flawless and averaged about 45 mpg. I have a 2014 Avalon for my DD and average 44.9 mpg since new using Fuelly. The Toyota Prius, Camry, Avalon, and Corolla hybrid system is by far the most tested and proven. If you do just short trips a hybrid may not be that good for mpg, or if you are heavy footed. I a have pretty non congested daily route heading from country to city edge. Colder climate can drop mpg. I often get over 50 in summer and slightly under 40 when below freezing. Incredible mpg for a larger comfortable car. I’m tall so the Avalon works out better but I’d d still be driving the Camry if not for that. Problem now is everyone wants a hybrid so harder to find and $$$. New is likely the best option if you can find one.
     
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    Not sure about all dealerships, but I talked to local Richmond VA dealership this week and the wait for any model hybrid was 2-4 months for XSE trim and if I want limited or anything else was 4-6 months.
     
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    We looked at hybrid's and the Sticker Shock , plus the availability limited our choices..

    When it came time , our dealership called when my 3 choices were in stock; Rav 4 hybrid, Camry XSE and a Corolla XSE... Since this is my wife's car... She left out driving them with our sales lady and we actually purchased the Corolla... This thing is AMAZING on MPG's.... We round tripped DC from Florida and averaged over 500 miles per tank.. Yes, high 40's to 50 mpg and mixed driving it creates no less than 35-39 even with my heavy foot , plus playing with the shift paddles :rofl::rofl:

    We have 22K on a '22 model and the thing has been typical Toyota... trouble free...:thumbsup::cool: Real life experience and easily replaced the need for my Lexus SUV :hattip:

    Luckily we have it because the Tundra drinks gas like it is "Cheap beer":cheers::cheers::cheers:
     
  8. Jun 5, 2022 at 11:22 AM
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    Thanks for the great information, are you happy with the performance of it? Is it kind of sluggish when you have to merge into expressway traffic? I’m wondering if the Camry is any faster, some reviews say the Camry is a little sluggish on 0 to 60, supposedly the Honda Accord is a little peppier
     
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    Performance has been great and it does "understand" it has 2 drivers; these things have so much going through their "Electric brains" it knows when I am driving or when Con is driving; the "Snap of the throttle" to the stupid lane change/over the line sensors give us both different feels; the 1st time it tried to put me back into the middle while cornering was a "bit@h session from me :argue::argue: BUT when your used to driving 40 tons, these little computers "try to teach you to behave ":rolleyes:o_O

    That is why I LOVE my '02 Tundra.... keep it tuned & serviced like I drive and no Computer to "talk back" :hattip:
     
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    I had a 2019 Honda Insight and loved it. Kinda wish I kept it now. I was easily getting 50+ mpg’s around the city. Mid 40’s on the hwy at 70 plus mph with 4 in the car.
     
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    I recently bought a hybrid, but I was looking for a hatchback instead of a sedan. I test drove a Kia Niro, but i couldnt find a base model available. That thing was almost dangerously slow I'm kinda happy i didnt buy one. The kia had a damn good warranty though.

    I originally wanted a Ford Maverick but those are unavailble for another year and I couldnt find a new hybrid with a hatchback and in my budget (under $30k) anywhere either. I ended up finding a low mile Ford Cmax. I love the car but the mpg is unimpressive at 35mpg for me (mostly highway at 80-90 mph). It does however have lots of cabin room, fits 10ft pipe inside, I can sleep inside on an air mattress, and isnt annoyingly slow.

    Whatever is available is probably going to make the decision for you.
     
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    I’ve got a 2022 Camry Hybrid SE Nightshade. I love it so far. Comfortable, super efficient, and feels like a go cart compared to the Tundra. Looks good to me, but doesn’t stand out or attract unwanted attention. The tech is not as advanced as the Hyundai and Kia competition, but the 2.5 hybrid drive II system in the Camry is easily the best powertrain in the segment.

    About 2000miles in and averaging 46.5mpg combined with about 50/50 city and highway driving. Just made a trip to the beach and back, ~490 miles round trip on one tank of gas easily and about 49.5mpg.

    Happy to answer any questions.

    Just saw your question about acceleration. It’s not fast, but I put it in sport mode for merging or accelerating out into traffic. No issues whatsoever. I wouldn’t let that deter me from buying one at all.

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  13. Jun 6, 2022 at 11:59 AM
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    Thank you very much for the information, I may probably end up getting a Camry hybrid if I can find one, I like that last photo, they make an interesting pair, a tundra and a Camry
     
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    Corolla hybrid only costs a couple thousand more than the ICE version and gets double the fuel economy. Only downside that I see is you can't get the hatchback in a hybrid.
     
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    35 mpg @ 80-90mph from a vehicle that can easily carry 10ft pipe inside while not being annoyingly slow doesn't impress you? I'd love to see the vehicle that you find "impressive". :rofl:

    The only vehicle I ever had that exceeded that mpg was an 08 Honda Civic coupe. Slow as hell, and not much cargo space (but not horrible for what it was).
     
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    My wife absolutely loves her Hybrid Highlander. That is one sweet car.
     
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    To stay on topic, MIL has a Rav 4 hybrid and loves it. Neighbors have a Camry hybrid. No idea what mileage either are getting, but both are happy with them.
     
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    Idk I was kinda hoping for closer to 40, but I knew I was trading some economy for power and room which i am ok with. Beats the 14mpg i was getting a month ago lol. I had considered just getting a non-hybrid hatch since i most drive highway anyhow but i either could find anything i liked or it got shitty economy >30, took premium gas, or no cargo room.

    Sedans are kind of going the way of the dodo bird, a rav4 hybrid would probably have better resale value.
     
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    I waited almost 4 weeks and paid at MSRP, just FYI.
     
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    evening, have seen all posts so far, the thing that isn't addressed is the replacement costs for a new battery set up. The dealership quoted a 21 highlander hybrid battery system should last 100k via warranty.. The kicker is that after 3.5 yrs or more, the batteries would have to be replaced to the tune of 7,000.00$. So after paying off the vehicle, then you would have to finance battery replacement costs. Drove us to a gas burner, that may not be able to get fuel in 2 years but should command a premium trade in, did i mention that it is black. EV are the future but they haven't been perfected yet. Buy what you want. Worry about the rest later.
     
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    As long as it's not a PHEV, what stops you from driving it if the battery dies in 10 years?

    PS: how many millions of miles have Priuses driven in the last ~20 years?
     
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    Where did you find that BS... My wife has a 2012 Camry XLE, 150 some thousand miles, Drives 5 days a week to & from work minimum. Always gets mid to upper 40's in mileage. and shows absolutely NO SIGN OF BATTERY ISSUES. I have numerous friends who drive Hybrids, for a long time, never heard of a battery issue from any of them. The only major battery issues I have noted were with Chevy Bolts, those batts apparently sucked. I did have a Nissan Leaf for a couple of years, Nissan had battery problems, but were actually handling it. So I would not not buy a Hybrid due to some spotty battery issues information.
     
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    Not true. The starter battery may need to be replaced after 3.5 years but not the power train batteries. Why would Toyota put a 100,000 mile warranty on the batteries if they are going to go out in 3.5 years? They would literally be expecting to replace every battery pack sold.
     
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    My wife will pick up her Rav 4 XSE hybrid this weekend. I think it was a 5-6 week wait after a $1,000 deposit.
     
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    Toyota hybrids are not true EVs, and as far as a technology goes they have indeed been perfected. Toyota introduced this technology in 1997, and the Hybrid Drive II system has been installed in nearly 10 million vehicles worldwide since 2004. The same pedigree that makes the 5.7l V8 in our tundra a reliable old beast powers these tried and tested hybrids.

    A Camry hybrid replacement battery costs about $2500 new. The OEM hybrid system including battery has a 10yr/150,000mile warranty. It’s a common misconception that you have to go to Toyota and get a new battery after this, but with literally millions of Toyota hybrids on the road the aftermarket scene for them is growing. Even here in Alabama I can find hybrid mechanics willing to install a HV batt. If you wanted to put a brand new battery into a 10year old car you could, but refurbished options exist and are pretty plentiful for Toyota hybrids. I see remanufactured Camry batteries online for as little as $1700. These are not massive batteries we are talking about like in a true EV or Tesla.

    I’ve owned now 4 Toyota hybrids, two Priuses, a Sienna, and a Camry. The Sienna and Camry are both new but we drove the previous Priuses into the dirt, 15 years and 340ish,000 combined (100,000 on the 2009, 140ish on the 2016). We don’t own either anymore - sister and law and employee at Toyota dealership bought them- but both are still kicking around on OEM batteries and getting 50mpg+. Hybrid Drive II isn’t sexy or fast or trendy, but it works extremely well, very reliably. Like a Toyota should.
     
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    The Rav4 Prime looks pretty interesting and it qualifies for the 7500 EV tax credit.
     
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    I'm a big fan of the plug-in hybrid.
    My wife has a Chevy Volt and it has been a very good, but not great car for us. It's not a Toyota; we had a few issues early on, but things seemed to have settled in.
    It is 6 years old and we get about 48 miles on an overnight charge. When we first got it we got about 60 miles on a charge.
    48 miles will cover most of our around town driving and when we take it to San Diego we get 40mpg (I checked it with my calculator).
    I was surprised to learn the Toyota Prius plug-in only has a 25 mile range.
     
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    My dad's Matrix got 40 mpg. Unless you mostly do city driving, what value does the hybrid add? (General question that's not directed at you specifically because I don't know your use case.)
     
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    I've wondered that myself. Not many brake applications on the interstate.

    Our ultimate goal is to move to the condo on the west end of Moloka'i and buy a hybrid. There's a 1,500' hill separating us from town so the regenerative braking would get used often there.
     
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    He is referring to a plug-in-hybrid, which is what the RAV4 Prime is as well. You can charge them overnight and use "zero" gas to drive whatever it's battery range is. Typically they are pretty low, like 25-50 miles, but if that covers your daily commute, you 're not using "any" gasoline. On top of that, since it's also a hybrid, you can just drive it like normal gas powered car if you need to go farther.
     

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