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3rd Gen V8

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by Wixo, May 19, 2022.

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Would you pick a 2.5 gen 5.7L 6 speed AT over your V6 TT?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. May 23, 2022 at 11:13 AM
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    Breathing Borla

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    so your talking about the rest of the line up type deal, like toyota QDR isn't as good anymore?

    just making sure I understand what you were saying
     
  2. May 23, 2022 at 11:24 AM
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    From a purely enthusiast standpoint I'm just saddened to see the V8 being killed off before realizing it's full potential. How amazing and efficient could they be if the R&D that was forced toward TTV6s had been put toward their improvement? It's not an argument from me. It's a discussion about the situation and the what ifs. A mental exercise for fun. Pardon me for enjoying a discussion and wanting to have a bit of fun. :hattip:

    MPGs are part of it, but regulation has made it the sole focus of innovation. I'm all for doing it more efficiently. Look at a modern V8 vs one from 60 years ago. More power and efficiency. It has always been part of it, but not the sole purpose.

    We all prioritize things differently. If I were a less cautious person and trusted there wouldn't be economic upheavals and my job was 1000% secure I'd probably just lease a vehicle and get a new one every 2-4 years. If that were the case I can almost guarantee that I'd be in an F150 or a Ram Classic right now.

    Hell, if there was a significant price gap between a midsize and a half ton I'd be in a Ranger, Colorado ZR2, or Tacoma, but for an extra grand or two I got a way more capable truck. I also had originally planned to get a small travel trailer, but that's since changed and a midsize would fit my current uses even better. Hell, I could probably get by with a Maverick if it could handle serious deep snow, and I like that thing anyway.

    World being what it is I prioritized proven reliability and longevity because I was moving to being a single vehicle set up and needed that above all else. Look back to 2019 and what was available at the time with reliability as your number one priority followed by the ability to get out of a heavily snowed/plowed in driveway in winter months, and tell me what truck you would have chosen?
     
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  3. May 23, 2022 at 11:34 AM
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    Did GM not push the V8 last 20 years or so? They are easily the farthest along with very advanced DOD, 8 and 10 speed transmissions, direct injection, and yet their most economical V8(the 5.3) is relatively weak and is at a significant disadvantage real world in both performance and efficiency to either of the 2.7L engines. If you put any weight in fuelly:

    5.3L:
    upload_2022-5-23_12-30-46.jpg

    Ford 2.7:
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    GM 2.7:

    upload_2022-5-23_12-32-44.jpg

    And now the GM 2.7 is getting 430 ft-lbs of torque, and the Duramax is only like $1000 more and is making 460 ft-lbs at 1600 rpm. I am not even sure why they sell the 5.3L at this point other than to appease V8 people.

    What else is there? Sparkless ignition? We need turbos or a supercharger for that I believe to vary the cylinder pressures.
     
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  4. May 23, 2022 at 11:36 AM
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    And would it be a different story if the regs weren't looming? The R&D for that V6 could have made a solid impact if the V8 was given the same priority, couldn't it? That's the question, and it's purely hypothetical because we won't ever get an answer.
     
  5. May 23, 2022 at 11:43 AM
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    Allegedly GM has a new generation of V8's coming out in a year or two so we may see something. They certainly have not put the V8 on the back burner. And nor has Ford really. They have continued to develop the 5.0 steadily. Every 3-4 years its been getting updated.

    The 2.7L motor from GM is the base engine. It would be like them having to develop a base V6. It is also being used in multiple other platforms(Cadillac, next gen Colorado/Canyon, etc) so its development didn't strictly take away from truck V8's.
     
  6. May 23, 2022 at 11:52 AM
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    That may be so but I think Rona has magnified some issues too.
     
  7. May 23, 2022 at 12:22 PM
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    That long stroke TT4 is intriguing. The output is mind boggling to me.

    @Breathing Borla I just wanted to use the joke damnit. But I do agree to an extent. With a 1st year production you can't factor in reliability. But GM has been in denial about the bent pushrods and lifters in the 6.2 for years now. There's a design failure that came from improving efficiency there but they're so afraid of walking away they've tried to hide it. The class action suit will be interesting as will the latest one on their paint. I've seen guesses around 4% fail on lifters alone but wonder what the final will be.
     
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  8. May 23, 2022 at 12:34 PM
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    I guess for the same reason you guys feel the need to come in here and hate on a truck you don't own :confused:
     
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  9. May 23, 2022 at 12:57 PM
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    I don't hate it. I'm still potentially a buyer if I decide it's the best half ton for my needs. Every aspect of it doesn't suite me personally and I'm in the camp that's disappointed they didn't put more emphasis on increasing payload. But they can't make everyone completely happy.

    End of the day, if this forum isn't fun and good for a chuckle then what's the point really?
     
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  10. May 23, 2022 at 1:04 PM
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    I mean I agree. There's no truck out there that's going to meet everyone's needs. People are going to bitch and complain about every single truck that comes to market. It fits me perfectly for my needs so I'm happy with it.
     
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  11. May 23, 2022 at 1:06 PM
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    It’s almost as if this is a public forum where Tundra owners and prospective owners gather to discuss the merits of tundras. If you can’t handle people having criticisms of a truck just because you own it, that’s not everyone else’s problem. We are commenting on things we like and dislike about a machine, not attacking you personally. If this bothers you, perhaps a forum where people express their opinions isn’t a great place for you to frequent.
     
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  12. May 23, 2022 at 1:10 PM
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    There you go, lucky man! Enjoy your new ride.
     
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  13. May 23, 2022 at 1:14 PM
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    I've bitched on the 2.5 way more than the 3.0. But I'm still mostly happy with my decision to buy it. It made it way easier to buy because the dealer really wanted to sell it. Those days are gone for now for sure.
     
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  14. May 23, 2022 at 1:31 PM
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    Absolutely. The 2nd gen trucks are not without their flaws like everything. If you want a V8, simple and reliable truck above all else that’s the one to get. That’s what I chose for myself. But I also won’t become bitter if someone were to mock it for its outdated technology, not the smoothest of rides, and less than stellar gas mileage. We knew these things going in. We should all buy what suits our needs of course.
     
  15. May 23, 2022 at 1:40 PM
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    Besides herpes, what do I get if I take two ugly twins home? Will you be my friend?
     
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  16. May 23, 2022 at 3:29 PM
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    My turbo has a flat torque plateau in 1500-4500 RPMs range, which makes it accelerating real linear compared to basically the same engine w/o turbo (I've owned/driven both kinds). That's the beauty of electronically controlled turbo engine: ECU can play nicely with torque output.

    But by 200k miles an average owner does not realize his turbo engine is cooked in many ways:

    - all rubber diaphragms in turbo (like in CBV or wastegate) are hardened or pinched, the turbo does not respond to torque demand like it used to
    - same applies to springs (CBV, TCV, wastegate), they become tired
    - PCV is either cooked because the engine runs much hotter (dual vacuum circuit with a simple ball valve) or the vacuum pump is worn to death (and it is mated to exact engine at the factory, can't be replaced)
    - compression rings are worn because of much higher pressure and temp, oil rings are cooked
    - lot more blow-by gases in oil sump
    - valve stem seals are hardened
    - all the rubber lines generally degraded much quicker, because the engine is hot
    - add extra sensors needed for forced induction, they degrade and break, too
    - etc, etc, etc

    I've seen cars like these, which owners think they are just fine, because there's no CEL, right? In fact, I bought one like that, but I needed it for body parts.

    There's a reason why old turbo car moves slower than itself 10 years ago. Natural aspiration has very little ponies to loose by design. It feels as sluggish as it was when bought new ;) A good N/A engine can drive until piston rings are worn to death and the engine has no compression anymore. Add a turbo, and its life span is halved, at best.
     
  17. May 23, 2022 at 7:09 PM
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    Actually, I can afford one....easily. I do not own one because I think they're ugly. Maybe, if they design the ugly out of them by the time the next generation of Tundras comes out, I'll buy one.
     
  18. May 23, 2022 at 7:55 PM
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    I'm not buying anymore trucks unless the bed doubles as an ATF cooler.
     
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  19. May 23, 2022 at 8:13 PM
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    And as far as towing, didn't they only100 miles from a full charge?
    "Switching to Tow mode comes with some ominous foreshadowing, as the R1T's indicated range disappears, instantly going from 270 miles to 103."

    Until this gets sorted out, I'm not down for an EV truck.
     
  20. Mar 5, 2024 at 12:14 PM
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    Who would pay an extra $5000 for a twin turbo 4.0L V8 over the V6? Me!!! I wonder how much extra HP and Torque it would have? 100?
     
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    I'd say 3rd gen lifted on 37 v8 supercharged with a 10 speed and a bitchin 4 link mid and 1800 payload
     
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    You've just described a Raptor R minus the payload.
     
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    FTFY
     
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    Man you should put in for detective, next you are going to tell me I'm on a Tundra site and I drive a pickup, possibly a Toyota. :monocle:

    I've owned Fords and they lost their chance to keep me as a customer personally. Parts and aftermarket for custom work is another story and they've had some interesting halo products. Still wouldn't take one even if it was free.
     
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    I’ve experienced it. And the newer Tacoma. And I won’t buy one, personally.
     
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    What do you base this statement on? Toyota has built an entire manufacturing philosophy on long term quality. They are the de facto case study for manufacturing engineering students across the world. They build stuff that just flat out lasts. The other side of this coin is, they have a history of being less efficient, under powered, more conservative with how they allow you to use their features (ex: diff lock only in 4Lo), and slow to bring new tech to market.

    Ford, on the other hand, has admitted they need to reign in warranty spending. They are known for rushing designs to market that keep them at the top of the numbers game and making up for it with lots of recalls and repairs. Ford also has a MUCH lower long-term reliability track record than Toyota.

    I would look hard at an F350 if I go HD, but I’m under no delusions that the quality of their designs is on the same level.
     
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    Sorry, thought we were talking about trucks actually in production, not pipe dreams. Keep dreaming about that supercharged V8 with 37's from the factory.
     
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    v8 with the 10 speed would have been my power option if there was one.
    the ttv6 is nice, but with that I rather have a naturally aspirated v8.
    Simpler to maintain and the older motor had a decent track record.
    Performance wise, they were both pretty close.

    That being all said, we dont have the option. I do smile a bit when the boost kicks in and the turbos sing.
    Swooosh.
     
  30. Mar 6, 2024 at 10:34 AM
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    If the new truck had the redesigned interior with the i-Force 5.7L mated to their new 10 speed I really think they would take over some market share. I would have kept my gen 3 no matter the rattles, just for peace of mind that 5.7L is going to be essentially problem free at this stage in it's development.
     
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