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Turbo issue

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by Lowcountry4x4, Jan 9, 2022.

  1. Jan 27, 2022 at 11:36 AM
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    What drove this? Maybe Lexus owners throwing a hissy fit when they figured out Toyota owners were getting Lexus quality for Toyota prices or they were getting Toyota parts at Lexus prices?
     
  2. Jan 27, 2022 at 11:40 AM
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    Hahahahaha really? That is your defence?
    The design of the 3rd gen is great, the engineering is dog shit.

    And the tundra didn't fundamentally change so he didn't do much with it and what did change has his name on it: Transmission cooler.
     
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  3. Jan 27, 2022 at 11:42 AM
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    Lexus engines are made primarily in Japan...It is quite probable that they use different suppliers for different parts on the engines depending on regional supply.

    Which also helps to explain why different grades of fasteners etc are on the Lexus and Land Cruiser engines even when using the same basic engine that are made for US trucks (Tundra).

    Almost all of Toyotas best most reliable over built models are the models made in Japan. 4runner/Land Cruiser/Lexus
     
  4. Jan 27, 2022 at 11:43 AM
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    I am not defending anything, I just wanted to point out that he has been around different models for quite a while. The Tacoma transmission cooler also was changed in late 2020
     
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  5. Jan 27, 2022 at 11:49 AM
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    I think I'm still waiting to be proven wrong.

    I suspect it's a minor manufacturing defect in a single batch that is impeding on the tolerances necessary for the software to activate the wastegate when appropriate. They originally had to do a cab off in order to access everything in order to check the tolerances and see if anything can be done to any actual components so the software can operate them properly.

    I think that Toyota is going through this entire process in order to ascertain whether they can do one of the following in order to resolve the issue:

    1. Correct the tolerances of the existing component.
    2. Reprogram the software for the affected vehicles so that the component functions properly despite the different tolerances.
    3. Replace the component with one with the proper tolerances.

    All of these would take time and effort but save every single new Tundra owner a huge hassle compared to if Toyota had either ignored the problem or simply bought back the affected vehicles and scrapped them.

    It would be very helpful to learn the build dates and which turbo, if any, is being replaced.

    Sucks big time for those affected, but maybe the work they're doing is exactly what needs to be done. But I have no idea and am still talking out of my ass.
     
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  6. Jan 27, 2022 at 12:12 PM
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    https://youtu.be/1JwjBTnWTvE
     
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  7. Jan 27, 2022 at 12:38 PM
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    Bought my wife a 2020 Corolla hatchback, when I was installing Toyota OEM accessories, I realized that the entire car is made in Japan. Made me happy.

    I used to have a 2016 GTI, made in Mexico. The same year Golf R is made in Germany.
    According to the Mk7 community, anecdotally at least, the German made Golf R seemed to have far fewer problems. My GTI had quite a few problems. Heck, CEL illuminated right after I bought it, brand new. Also blew the DSG and it needed the entire sunroof assembly replaced too.
     
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  9. Jan 27, 2022 at 1:07 PM
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    Yes exactly!

    People what you need to understand is a turbo is an incredibly complex device that is made up of thousands, I mean hundreds, I mean a few dozen parts....yes it could be any one of those few dozen parts! Toyota is working on it, be patient!

    Oh wait, it's only the wastegate sticking open or closed. Ok people, you need to understand that the wastegate is is an incredibly complex device consisting of.... oh wait 13 parts.... yes it could be anyone of those parts! Toyota is working on it, be patient!

    Oh wait, it's only the wastegate actuator. Ok people, you need to understand that servo actuator is an incredibly complex piece of engineering consisting of....oh wait, I forgot maybe its the software! Yes, what you people need to understand that wastegate control software is really complex! Toyota is working on it, be patient!

    Lets not also not forget this is Toyota we are talking about, it's not like they might actually have that many engineers who could be made available to look at this.

    Lastly, rest assured this was only a handful of cars. Those customers taking delivery of recently built trucks are not experiencing the issue.

    Again rest assured Toyota is working on it, be patient!
     
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    You’re making light of a complex situation. Manufacturing is difficult and there is a lot involved.
     
  11. Jan 27, 2022 at 1:19 PM
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    Respectfully, I'm afraid I don't understand your point. In the LC video AMD mentions over designed and over built parts specific to the LC. He doesn't mention where and how well it's manufactured.
     
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    One thing that is not complex in manufacturing is that if a issue comes up with a purchased product, you take care of the customer that purchased the product by supplying parts immediately, even if that means you cannot produce any new product. That either seems to not be the case with Toyota, or they are continuing to knowingly produce vehicles with bad parts.

    I did see a post earlier today from someone that works in the engine plant for the tundra that said they know they got a bad batch of parts and they have narrowed it down to effect 500-1000 vehicles.

    There are 1200 Toyota dealers in the US, so I think the less than 1 percent of trucks with issue is a little bit low.
     
  13. Jan 27, 2022 at 1:30 PM
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    People compare the LC of that generation to the Tundra since it is the same platform, just like they do with the Lexus now saying engine is not new etc. The Lexus is also built in Japan like the Land Cruiser, You can't really apples to apples compare like people are doing since they are apparently different even with the same engine... I guess it still comes down to you get what you pay for with build quality since both the Lexus and LC are more expensive.

    I still think the 4 runner is their best built affordable model...it should be though, in the rest of the world it wears the land cruiser name.
     
  14. Jan 27, 2022 at 1:31 PM
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    Exactly! What you people need to understand is that Toyota is doing everything in their power to make this right. They are continuing to keep their affected customers clearly informed, putting those people at the front of the line for replacement parts and extending warranties. They have isolated the problem to a specific small batch of defective parts. That batch has been isolated and is definitely not still going into new builds. All recent builds are not experiencing this problem and therefore customers should rest assured that there is absolutely nothing defective with motors being built today. Toyota has bit the bullet and issued a Mea Culpa recall of the VIN's affected. As part of the recall they are recognizing the good faith of those early full MSRP +++ purchasers with loaner trucks while scheduling theirs for service.
     
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    Corporate Toyota: aw man vehicles are getting really complicated, what can we do?

    Toyota employees: outsource!

    Toyota customer: I am going to keep buying Toyota because they are reliable vehicles

    -vehicle is broken right after buying-

    Toyota customer: waaahhhhh TF?

    Toyota customer service: it wasn't us, it was a supplier issue

    Toyota fans: ah man they're gonna fix it, besides it was the suppliers fault!

    Customers having epiphany: oh, so it's not really a Toyota anymore.....
     
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    Just a direct observation. I've had my hands all over both my 17 4Runner TRD Pro and my Roush RS3 Mustang. The mustang is pulled from the Flat Rock Michigan facility to the Roush facility and reworked and upgraded with Roush components. That said, Quality is night and Day difference. The 4 Runner is a 4 wheel tank extremely well designed and thought out including fit and finish. Very simple to work on it from all sides. The Roush/Ford in comparison :( Designed to work on it is a bear without virtually any ease of access). The finish in terms wires, tubes and clips-- night and day difference. Understanding Toyota's quality process and comparing to Ford ......... not in same league. What the Roush does have is fantastic handling, lightening speed, solid interior comfort and a great sound system. The cockpit is well laid out and its fun to drive. To me, its choices and priorities. I wanted the Roush for those qualities and the Tundra for my daily and trips. Yes enjoy turning wretches on my cars so to me the difference is moot.
    All that said, I'm confident in Toyota and there products
     
  17. Jan 27, 2022 at 1:39 PM
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    The same way BMW improved the McLaren F1 S-70 V-12 when they put it on the 850 and 750. Minor differences in Horsepower, but really mostly same engine with minor improvements....

    Sorry feeling very cheeky today. In all seriousness, it looks like they share the same block and certainly engineering knowledge, but that's about it.
     
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    Would be interesting to run a survey finding out from people responding to this thread actually have a new Tundra with the issue. Would help to understand numbers in clearer light.
     
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    Good one. Parse out one line. Put words in my mouth. Sarcasm. That'll fix it.
     
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    Which post is that? I saw a guy from the engine plant say they missed the bad batch of turbos or something to that effect. It would be the turbo suppliers job to QC their parts.

    I think the biggest issue is the disconnect in the modern automotive industry. There are many levels of separation.

    The internal structures of automotive companies are so complex and often divisions are highly separated (sales, marketing, service, parts, R&D, etc). Then you have distributors which are not Toyota (such as Gulf States Toyota which is owned by the Friedkin Group) followed by dealers which are also not Toyota. So the dealer is still learning how to deal with this vehicle and there’s a supply shortage. I think Toyota would readily give good parts directly from the supplier or engine plan but who makes that call? You need the dealer to fight for the customer with the service reps who in turn need to talk to Toyota sales division, parts division, R&D division, the engine plant, the supplier plant, etc. I’m sure the dealer techs and service writers are looking up parts, seeing long lead time, and relaying the lead time to customers without thinking to escalate the issue. I’m sure the parts are there.

    Here’s the surprise bit, every company that manufactures complex product has suppliers.
     
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    What? Please prove any shred of that with factory tolerances, spec sheets, etc, Anything beyond mere armchair speculation.

    Oh wait, just noticed you drive a Gen 2, carry on. *hate noted*..
     
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    I'm pretty sure I just said that
     
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    That is just good ol VW engineering LOL, not manufacturing issues.
     
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    Apologies, but I missed where and when you did?
     
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    Yeah I know, notice I included "anecdotal". :D

    My first and probably last German car. Great car, but in the shop way too often, and VW loaner cars sucked back then.
    Replaced it with a Q60, made in Japan, owned 4 years, 1 year longer than my GTI, haven't done one thing to it in 56k miles. Just oil changes, washer fluid and wiper blades.

    I did really like that GTI though! German cars drive really well.
     
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    Many posts back, may have been wrapped up in the Boeing theories....
    The entire industry has gone this way.

    Basically my point is the car industry of the late 20th century isn't the same as the one of the 21st century.
    25 or more years ago, most vehicles were made mostly by the manufacturer. A 1992 Camry was mostly made by Toyota. Any vendors they worked with, they partially owned and had embedded engineering.
    Heck, even GM was almost 100% GM. Good example: DelcoRemy. They made their own electronics, even the semiconductors. Delco made their own chips in USA until a few years ago.

    Nowadays, the vendors Toyota uses aren't necessarily partially owned by Toyota, nor is their engineering team from Toyota. They are contract suppliers.

    So, not possible to expect the same experience as that 1992 Camry, which made Toyota famous.
     
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    Wow! You've had a lot of vehicles and turn them over quickly. I'm curious as to why? Do you just like getting the next new thing? Not trying to be sarcastic. I'm honestly curious. Don't know where you live, but in GA I'd have to pay major sales tax on each purchase which just gets under my skin. I could afford it - I just hate shelling out money to the gov't that often.
     
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    There's tons of folks like that, @vichmr, and you can put me right on the top of that list. It's criminal (sometimes) the $$$ lost but hey man, you can't take it with you :)
     
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    So not just, then. Apologies for failing to recall something you spoke to ‘many posts back’. Surely you could afford the forum member you were responding to the same courtesy.
     
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    Huh....weird response :monocle:
     

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