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Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by AnalysisParalysis, Dec 10, 2021.

  1. Jan 21, 2022 at 8:58 AM
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    I think I have 1275 per the sticker but that doesn't include the canopy and bed liner I added.
     
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    You win the prize because your truck's payload sticker says exactly the same number as the manual does for a 4x4 Crewmax standard bed.

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    In fact, everyone wins.

    Now go bring it to a cat scale with nothing inside the truck and a full tank of fuel and let us know what it weighs.
     
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    So, where's the Model # that gets the 1940 lbs of payload? That's the part I keep failing to understand. How does the DC 2WD long bed drop from 1940 to 1580?
    And, which model is the VXKA75L-CRUSZA? An SR DC 4WD?
     
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    Because I think they’re sandbagging the numbers. The GVWR of a two-wheel-drive SR double cab is like 7000 pounds that truck can’t weigh more than 5000 pounds
     
  6. Jan 22, 2022 at 5:21 AM
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    What’s the curb weight of the SR according to Toyota’s website?
     
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    ~5100 lbs according to Toyota:

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    So if the GVWR is around 7000 lbs then it should have the 1900 lbs of payload.

    here is the sticker from the SR5 double cab 2x4 and it has the 7035 lb gvwr:

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    thats suggesting that truck weighs 5500 lbs which seems extremely heavy. Even Ford’s 2014 steel body supercab 2x4 3.5L was only 5203 lbs.
     
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    Toyota is populating the Build & Price details with 2wd "Maximum payload" numbers, despite the fact the details update to saying 4x4 when you select it.

    Apparently the 4x4 option cuts ~400lbs. Toyota should be adjusting the details for 4x4 selection, but they are not. Here is snip from a Build & Price of an SR5 CrewMax 5.5' 4x4, but the Demo SR5 at my local dealer has 1395lb Payload sticker (32.2 gal tank, spray in bed liner). See docs attached below

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    That is generic info. It says Maximum Payload and Maximum Towing capacity, and that applies to the Tundra Model in general. Not a specific truck. The only way to get the specific number is to open the door and check the sticker. Marketing is always about lying as legally as possible, and EVERY manufacturer does it.
     
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    Well just a member explaining what to expect when your Tundra shows up.
     
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    If you get a chance, please weigh your truck and let us know if it actually weighs 5845 lbs with nothing in it.
     
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    I will weigh mine when it comes in (CrewMax 6.5' TRD OR). This one I posted is the dealer demo vehicle
     
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    I think Toyota is guilty of fuzzy math. The classic definition of curb weight is the weight of the truck as built plus a full tank of fuel. They have published a range of curb weights by model and a range of GVWR by model. Simple math says their payload stickers are based on some other measurement scheme. My 2012 Tundra payload sticker matches exactly the GVWR minus the published curb weight. It seems math has changed over the last 10 years. At this point, I am using the payload sticker on the 2022 as a guide and will base loading and towing on a measured curb weight and keep the Cat Scale printout in the glovebox if somebody asks. In another thread on this site, someone actually weighed their 2022 2WD on a Cat Scale and the payload appeared to be about 170 lbs more than the sticker based on the way that truck was equipped. Weigh the truck to get the real answer.
     
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    I have been reading through this payload thread and I completely agree that the actual Toyota Tundra payload numbers are generally disappointing. I have a 2020 1794 4x4 and the payload sticker states a capacity of 1185 lbs. The additional yellow sticker says to reduce it by 100 lbs. (ball mount, bed liner, bed lights, and running boards). So technically, I have 1085 lbs of payload; truly a half ton. Now to make matters even worse, my dear wife’s Honda minivan, circa 2008, has a sticker stating a payload rating of 1322 lbs! A minivan with more payload than a full size truck! Heaven help us all…
     
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    Oh look, same as the manual!

    The thing that makes me extremely suspect here is that something like an XLT F150 could range from 1900 lbs to 1650 lbs of payload depending on options. I've seen Lariats as high as 1700 lbs and as low as 1500. Literally a moonroof and tailgate step on an F150 will cost you 100 lbs of payload.

    Assigning a single payload to all trucks of a particular configuration is ridiculous. I really think Toyota is undercutting their payload numbers and assigning a conservative number to all trucks. I highly suggest people weigh their trucks before they buy(or right after if you don't care)

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    Can you link to the manual please?
    I think it is either a mistake or low of Toyota to be advertising max payload for whatever cab size 2wd on a build and price for a 4x4, when it literally says 4x4. A lot of RV people really care about payload and it is misleading to them.

    The other point people are making is, no one has seen the mythical 1940lbs on door sticker yet, have they, or even close to it? Correct me if I am wrong.

    Toyota gave these wrong numbers to Expedition Portal/Overland Journal for their article on the new Tundra which is overstating the payload by 400 lbs to people who also really care about payload for Overland builds, weight adds up real fast. It certainly affects a $60,000 decision to me. I've come to accept it
     
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    you have to google search the manual. I cant link it because its usually an embedded pdf.

    that said, you are correct about not seeing a 1940 lb payload. But I believe that is because they are putting the worst possible payload on the door sticker for a particular config. Until we get people weighing trucks on scales, we wont know.
     
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    I think any truck guy should weigh their truck with a full tank and figure out their payload from the difference in GVWR. It seems like Toyota is giving payload for a fully optioned vehicle to play it safe but most vehicles may have higher payload than the door jamb sticker denotes.

    For example:

    Double Cab Long Bed 4x4
    GVWR = 7375 lbs
    Curb Weight = 5565 lbs (Toyota site)
    Sticker Payload = 1515 lbs
    Actual Payload = 1810 lbs (7375-5565 lbs)

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    We'll have to see as owners start weighing their '22 Tundras.

    I've been weighing my trucks for a while. My 2005 Tacoma DCSB 4x4 4.0 V6 6-spd has GVWR of 5350 lbs and a payload sticker of 1,100lbs, so curb weight should be around 4,250.
    It weighed out to 4,360 with about 100 lbs of accessories (tonneau cover and Archive Hammer hangers and Fox 2.5 shocks). Dead nuts on Toyotas stickers.

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    Hi Guys have a question (or confirmation)
    see the attached pic which shows GAWR weight ratings for two Tundras.
    Both CrewMax Short bed.

    Refer to the numbers in the red circles for the Rear Axle. RR

    Tundra A - Top label has a 1880 kgs /4144 lbs rating.

    Tundra B - Bottom label has a 1750 kgs - 3860 lbs rating

    The Question
    Does this mean that if someone is carrying weight in the bed, assuming everything else is the same,
    that Tundra A is rated to carry in the bed over the rear axle, almost 300 lbs more than Tundra B ?

    If not correct, what does it mean for someone loading a lot of weight in the bed.

    Thanks.

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    That is correct, for the rear axle weight rating. It doesn't mean that Tundra A has more payload, just that more weight can be transferred to the rear axle during situations like towing.
    Tundra A might actually need more RAWR due to say a CrewMax cab and a shorter wheelbase.
     
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    Simple answer is: No.

    Axle ratings are only one portion of payload ratings. If you throw an axle rated for 5000 lbs under there that doesn't do anything to change the strength of the bed, the tie down points, or any supports. It also doesn't take into consideration any of the other components that make up payload ratings. The axle rating tells you how much weight the axle is rated for; not what the vehicle is rated for. Same concept for wheels. You can get wheels that are rated for 2500 lbs each, but that doesn't make the truck or it's bed capable of holding 10000 lbs. The payload rating in the door jamb is what you need to look at, not the axle ratings.
     
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    Ok ...So Total Payload ratings aside. Is it fair to say then that.

    The Rear Axle on Tundra A is rating for more weight, so it is built more heavy duty, stronger, it is more Stout ...... than Tundra B ?
     
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    That would MAYBE be possible. I would guess that it's more likely that one is Canadian (see the maple leaf) and one is not, and that it's something to do with bureaucratic regulations in labelling.
     
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    The rear axle has a higher rating, that's it. Likely you're comparing a '21 with a 10.5" ring gear to a '22 with a 9.5" ring gear. That's your 300lbs difference right there
    Lemme guess, you're considering which is better for a slide-in camper.
    Answer: Ford, Dodge, Chevy 2500. Tundra is not the answer, not nearly enough payload.

    As I think @AzureNightmare is explaining, you should not be starting with the RAWR, you should be starting with the GVWR. Is your vehicle going to exceed the 7200lbs the vehicle is rated for?
     
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    Canadian vs US truck should not change the lbs/kgs ratings? I could substitute a US truck for Truck A.

    No.

    Truck A - is a 2018 and is my truck.
    Truck B - is a 2022 Gen 3.

    I have noticed that the rear axle on the Gen 3 is visually "smaller" than my trucks axle which looks like a beast in comparison.
    I thought it was a You Tube illusion but the Mechanic on the Technical Review Video confirmed it.
    Called the 2022 rear axle "4Runner" like and smaller.

    Where I am going with this, personally I load a lot of stuff in the bed without any thought to weight.
    Is the amount of "heavy items" going into the bed more of a consideration with the 2022 due to the smaller rear axle rating ?
    Just the Axle factor consideration.

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    Not true. Different countries have different requirements and allowances for lots of stuff on vehicles. That's part of what makes importing a vehicle to the states so dumb. You have to change out components to things that meet the US standard, even if the other item may be a better design/function. Look at how headlights in Europe work vs in the US.

    The same things apply to ratings. Look at how a Hilux is rated and used outside the States. They are doing things with those that we do with Tundras here, but the Hilux would be a midsize truck if it were in the States. You can have the exact same product rated differently in different countries because of their own individual ideas, notions, theories and standards. Nothing is standardized beyond national borders.
     
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    ok here is another sticker from a US truck Gen 2.5
    its rear axle rating is the same as mine.
    Hard to see.
    RR Says 4150 lbs. 1882 kgs.


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    4runner and Tacoma have dinky housings and smaller ring gears. The new axle housing looks stout to me. Maybe Toyota overkilled it with the 10.5" housing in previous Tundra. It probably contributed to their poor fuel economy. Hopefully they have the new housing and gears sorted and proven.

    Also, size isn't the whole picture, perhaps the material thickness is greater on the new housing
     
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    You can't really compare a 2.5 gen to a 3rd. Even with a lower axle rating the 3rd gen may be just as payload capable because of the lighter bed and other components. That's why I would refer you to the payload rating.
     
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