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2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by john1062, Dec 3, 2021.

  1. Jan 19, 2022 at 8:28 AM
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    I see an inherent conflict of interest when the establishment that needs to sell new vehicles to existing customers is the same establishment that I use to maintain my current vehicle. Regardless of brand.
     
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    Except its a free market. If you don't like how your car or dealer have treated you, you move on, and they lose business. They have skin in the game.
     
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    I agree 100%. Even different dealerships servicing the same manufacturer can be completely different. Even different service advisors at the same dealership. We had a bad experience and we refuse to support the Toyota dealership in our city. We drive to the adjacent city (we live in a tri-city region) and support their local dealership. We didn't like a few of the advisors there either. We found one who would work with us and have stuck with him, with a few exceptions. You need to let them know you're there for the long haul but won't tolerate any BS ever.
     
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    I don’t think the current model of how we have to buy a new vehicle is necessarily a free market. But that’s another discussion…

    Furthermore, the same argument would apply to how they treat you and what they sneak past you during the initial sale. Yet dealerships with absolutely horrible reputations who make a regular practice of screwing people are still thriving.
     
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    In general, people are pretty ignorant when it comes to cars these days. They just don’t know any better. They are at the mercy of the dealerships and service centers. They don’t do their own maintenance and repairs. They don’t understand how cars work. Most people if you asked them which motor was in their vehicle wouldn’t have a clue. Wouldn’t know how many gears the transmission has. And yet oddly make their decision based on which vehicle wins some metric measured by car and driver.
     
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    I think I actually just described most auto sales people. Weird.
     
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    I hope you are correct, but we'll see. I have seen only 2 so far like this out of the 20 or so listed locally, a 1794 and a platinum inbound. But the Platinum one is suspect... you have to dig down into the specs to see the bed size... but the photos, even though the correct color, are of a short bed. So there really is no telling what this is. Could just be incorrect stock photos but who knows. But neither are colors I want anyway.

     
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    Cause people are dumb. If someone wants to pay a $10,000 markup on a XLT F150, all the power to them and I don't blame the dealer one bit. I bought my Lexus for $21000 in Feb of 2020. I could turn around and sell it for probably $28000 right now, and you can bet your left kidney that I would take every single one of those 28000 dollars.

    They only downside is it makes it harder for the rest of us to get good prices but I still don't blame them.
     
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    Haha wow! Yes, people are dumb but that doesn’t mean lying to them, stuffing hidden fees or options that the dealer claims are mandatory into their purchase price, or changing numbers once the buyer gets back to financing is right or fair. There’s a difference between this and an ADM that is there for everyone to see, and I absolutely do blame dealers who pull this shit. It’s a total lack of integrity, and this industry is rife with it. Every single one of them who does this should go out of business. But they took care of that legally long ago when they lobbied to make it mandatory for you to go through them when you want to buy a new vehicle.
     
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    How is that any different than someone thinking all Tundras have a 1900 lb payload capacity because thats what Toyota says, and then they go and buy a Capstone and realize a month later that its 1400 lbs. If they had spent 5 minutes researching, or paying attention, they could have figured it out mighty quick. I can't tell you how many times that has happened on the F150 and then the person is all pissed off.

    Same with the fees. They are on the paper work. Its not like they slide it in without you possible ever knowing. Pay attention and don't buy the vehicle from that dealer if they a like that.
     
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    I told my kids long ago, no such thing as fair. No one gets what they deserve, you get what you negotiate, in all things in life. Be an informed consumer, pay attention to what you are agreeing to. It’s not someone else’s fault if you sign without reviewing. I agree they should not be slipping extras in there after “the deal is done”. But it’s not really done till you sign on the dotted line. No one is forcing you to sign. Take responsibility for your own existence. The one who stands to suffer from all of this is you. So stick up for yourself and pay attention.
     
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    LOLOLOL 6.5 IS a short bed. 12" more in bed length is nothing. I have a 5.5 bed and works perfect for me (and FITS in my garage) I also have a 14' utility trailer if needed
     
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    perhaps, but the 5.5’ is the devil!!
     
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    Perhaps---but a few hundred $ cheaper, looks much better, easier to park/maneuver, AND fits in (most) garages lol. But hey, buy whatever suits your needs. cheers
     
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    Yeah, f— em’, right? Pull every last trick in the book. If the buyers don’t catch every finely tuned trick the dealers have honed over the years, it’s the buyers’ fault. Haha sucks to be them, right? What a great business model. Good thing we’re forced into it by law if we want to buy new.
    Yeah I tell my kids the same thing. I do pay attention. I’ve caught the shit dealers tried to pull past me every single time I’ve walked through their door. One time, the financing guy added $1200 to my amount to pay back and literally physically tried to keep me from seeing it. Whether I caught it or not is irrelevant. That shit should not be happening in the first place. And yes, I am protesting with my dollars by never darkening that place’s door again.

    I’m sorry but I don’t share the idea that “everyone who got bent over deserved it because they didn’t pay attention” especially when the entire experience is stacked against the buyer, and dealers have finely tuned their tricks over the years to get past people’s defenses.
     
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    Looks are subjective. No offense to anyone, but I think the CrewMax 5.5' truck exterior looks absolutely ridiculous (like a minivan with a small truck bed), but I totally understand why people need or want them. I personally like the look of the Double Cab 6.5' bed exterior, but I totally understand why many consider the back seat to be absolutely useless. To each their own.
     
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    Agree with all of this totally. And it is looking a little better for us 6.5' bed guys... I just ran the inventory tool on toyota.com for my region. They moved it from where it used be and I thought it was gone. When I ran it there were a fair number of 6.5 beds... very limited in trims and colors but that is to be expected this early in a production run and more choices should become available later as they queue up the line for other trims, colors, etc. and once the turbo issue is resolved. I am actually becoming optimistic. Pretty good when a pessimist becomes optimistic!

    The other good thing about the toyota inventory tool is that it includes bed length in the filters, unlike the dealers. Not sure the information will always be as current as the dealers now but as supply improves it can only get better.

     
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    That’s just the thing. There’s no such thing as “deserve”. And yes, businesses have been fine tuning their practices for a long time and we should all be aware of them and they shouldn’t be happening. But here we are. Get bitter, or get better. Vote with your dollars as you’ve said. Choose. It’s your best superpower.
     
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    Nice words but overly simplistic. There are as many different circumstances as there are people and they are all different. Someone needing a vehicle now during the current disruptions may not have the luxury of voting with their $. Choices and inventories are very limited and many dealers have adopted predatory practices. There are some folks whose only choice may be to get bent over or walk... I mean walk for transport, not away from the dealer. I am not in that position myself, but there are plenty who are.

     
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    pretty sure they can still buy a vehicle wherever they want. And they can still choose to buy whatever they want. No one is forcing them to enter into a bad deal. They can choose to do so. There’s a car dealer on every corner. Many dealers have no haggle pricing and no markup. You can buy a used car private party. You can repair what you have. You can take the bus. You have lots of choices. I cannot adopt the victims mentality that they are without choices here
     
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    Maybe I need to get out more, but I have never seen a no-haggle dealership that didn't mark up their vehicles. I'm 0 for 6 dealing with honest dealers. I drove two hours to buy my Tundra, and they still pulled the nitrogen in the tires for $1000 BS. And yes, I caught it. Should it happen in the first place? No. I would support fines for dealers caught doing that stuff. The letter Ford put out slapping their dealers who were taking advantage of people trying to put a deposit on a new Powerboost is awesome. Fully support that. The more dealers get slapped around for being snakes the better.

    There's a difference between espousing a victim mentality and saying people should not be fed to professional wolves every time they want to buy a new vehicle. This is obviously a regulated industry where deception and shady BS thrive. It's the only industry in our society where buyers actually expect to be taken advantage of. I bet most people on this forum know more about the truck they want to buy than everyone at their nearest five dealerships, yet you must go through them to buy new (and very often to buy used, too). I would totally support getting rid of them as a necessary step. Allow the manufacturer to sell direct. Make them compete with someone outside their business model. At this point, they've turned a middle man step initially meant to protect the consumer from the manufacturer into screwing everyone they can and holding all the cards. I appreciate your "you could take the bus" mentality, but that's never going to happen as a means of effecting change in this business model.
     
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    I got my 2009 Tacoma from a local no haggle dealer with a big discount. All their vehicles are or were discounted significantly. I was totally happy with my deal and it was the best experience I ever had. But that was then, not sure about now, but I'd be surprised if they are asking over MSRP. I am not really ready to buy so won't be testing that theory soon.

     
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    They aren’t holding all the cards. Cause they aren’t holding your money. Should it be this hard to spend your money? No. But sometimes, it is what it is. An annoyance for most. Sport for some. Knowing your money is your money and you can and will take it wherever you want is your power in this situation.
     
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    The Ford will be better in nearly every category except two, which from your original post will probably matter, and those are reliability and resale.
     
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    Which to me are the only ones I really care about. The payload, towing, etc. will all be perfectly adequate even if not "top of the class".

     
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    Exactly. I don't understand the mentality that somehow believes crooks and shady operators being subject to regulations or held accountable somehow makes THEM the victims. Unless you ARE a crook or shady operator. LOL. I'd love to buy my vehicle direct from a mfg, like Tesla or Rivian. But I am not going to buy a Tesla. Probably not a Rivian, either. Not anytime soon anyhow.

     
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    Not sure how you're going to stop the shady crooks in any industry from doing what they do. The only action to take is to support the good ones with your dollars and refuse to support the shady ones. You do get to choose that. I simply don't do business with places that behave that way.
     
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    No, that's not the only way. Businesses need licenses to operate and can be fined or otherwise punished for bad behavior within the laws. But I agree that every unhappy customer is not a screwed over victim. And every salesman and dealer is not a crook. All concerned just need to be honest and operate in good faith or be liable for the consequences.

     
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