2022 Tundra vs 2022 F-150 opinion?

I guess having it serviced at a Toyota dealership where I have a positive relationship with the Service Advisor creates unicorns. Who knew?

 

Our favorite Toyota dealership, the only one around us who didn't treat us like crap, just got bought out buy a conglomerate.
Our favorite salesman still works there, and he told me I probably won't like the dealership now.
He's still my favorite salesman, but his hands are tied.
And when we had my wife's car serviced there after the ownership change, they do suck now.

I went in for an oil change and check for TSB on the infotainment. Service advisor kept calling it a TSP because he doesn't know a damn thing....

 

This is a big reason I'm only really looking at Toyota too. All other things being equal, the dealership is just superior. 1 of the local Ford dealers outright lied to me and cost me $650. The other one would make excuses for the truck breaking down all the time, do poor quality work and then tried to charge double the book time for warranty work. The local GM dealer's service dept is good but their sales dept is inept. When I was looking to buy a GM, they were $10K higher than anywhere else and wouldn't budge on price. I bought elsewhere.

Meanwhile, the Toyota dealer treats me very well. The salesmen are professional, there's no bullshit games when you buy, the parts desk and service techs know their shit, and it's always been a good experience.

More importantly they also treat The Woman well when she goes in without me for things like oil changes or to pick up parts for me. That's a big test in my books. Treat my Woman with respect and your business will earn alot of points. That's one of the many places Kentwood Ford in Edmonton, AB failed and one of the many reasons there will never be a Ford in my family again.

 

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eh, same thing

 

I just saw a 22 F150 Tremor the other day and have to say, that's a great looking truck!

 

yeah that guy / gal don’t know shit. It’s actually a TPS report. And we’re putting cover sheets on all of them now. Didn’t he get the memo?

 

What scenarios would the side opening tailgate be more useful or preferable to the dropdown?

I find it difficult locally to find any 6.5 beds on the lot for any brand, even before the supply issues, not just Toyota. It's just the market.

 

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when you need to load heavy things into the bed by hand or just to reach in to the load floor. Having no tailgate puts you closer to the bed. A swing open achieves this, but you still have a tailgate. Dodge already has this feature, the Ridgline will do a full length swing open as well. Suburbans and Tahoes used to have a double door option instead of a lift gate.

 

There are still a few new 2021 Tundras, and I would say yes, absolutely. I’m doing all my own maintenance and keeping a log on my Toyota account. I haven’t been back to the dealer for anything. Hoping to keep it that way for 10 years. Yes, I pay more in fuel. It’s worth it to me to manage my time how I want.

For 2022 Tundras, that remains to be seen. The waste gate issue is a real issue. The steering rack issue that has grounded a bunch of ‘21s is a real issue. But this doesn’t mean that Toyota’s entire manufacturing philosophy—which is what puts them at the very top for long-term reliability—has gone out the window. I still lean toward the idea that you are much safer with the new Tundra out of warranty than an F150. But it remains to be seen. It’s a horrible time to debut a new truck. It’s an even horribler (lol) time to have any issues at all.

Remember, almost 1 in 5 Ford trucks have drivetrain issues during the first buyer’s ownership. This is based on a sample size of 78k trucks. For those of you who aren’t statistically inclined, a 78k sample size gives a 99% confidence level with a 0.46% margin of error for a population of 100 million. (TL;DR: it’s a very, very, very valid sample size.) Yes, people keep buying Fords. This does not mean they do so for strictly rational reasons. Never base your decision of which very expensive depreciating asset to buy on what large groups of other people do. Ford’s manufacturing philosophy which to me amounts to “send it to the dealers, we’ll fix it later” is not something I’m interested in dealing with, no matter how many other people buy their trucks. Has that also all of a sudden become Toyota’s manufacturing philosophy? I don’t think that’s true at all.

 

Around here we normally... in normal times... have no problem finding the longer beds at big dealers for GM and Ford. They stock a broad mix. Just pick your color and option package and you would have several to choose from in any bed length. And, of course, you can always order. Toyota is the outlier. Their distro system just sends short beds... and then people say that's what sells. But that's all they send so this is a circular argument. In normal times you could still find pretty close to what you want by looking regionally during the parts of the year when there was decent supply before they stopped production to swap over to the next year. Now, in abnormal times, it is almost impossible, especially for new high demand models like Tundra.

 

Yeah, I could see it being useful if you were loading something like bags of concrete. Then you wouldn't need to move them back in the bed after loading them on the tailgate. Not sure I'd personally pay extra for the functionality though.

 

The 2022 is the first year that a 6.5ft bed is available with a crewmax cab, so I’m not sure that “how it has always happened” applies anymore. I think the 6.5ft crewmax is going to be a big seller for Toyota. People have wanted that combo for a loooooong time.

 

Well, my experience is mostly with Tacomas. Seems it will be the same for Tundras. Has been so far at least. The 6.5' bed should be a big seller. And it would be if they sent us some. But so far the local dealers seem to be getting 10 to 1 short beds.

 

Some people have wanted that combo. With a manual. Problem is they don’t show up to buy in numbers. It’s like 45 people nationwide. Doesn’t make financial sense for Toyota or any other manufacturer to build them. Like regular cabs. No one makes them anymore because no one bought them anymore.

 

We lived in a village outside a town for 30 years. That town has all the vehicle brands and when we moved there they were all independent.
Since the last say 5 years.... Subaru, (GM - Chevrolet Buick GMC), (Chrysler Dodge Jeep Ram), and Toyota.....all these dealerships are owned by the same company now.

 

I’ve read I don’t know how many times on this forum alone where a 2nd gen crewmax owner wished they could also have the 6.5’ bed without giving up the big cab. I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve seen someone post that they want a manual Tundra. “No one makes them anymore” doesn’t apply to 6.5’ bed crewmaxes as Toyota just now started offering it.

The Tundra crewmax with a 6.5’ bed—particularly the hybrid models—will be the most stable and powerful towing machine Toyota has ever offered in the North American market. I think it will sell.

 

If you have ever reached for something in the bed but the dropped tailgate was in the way. You still retain the drop down feature. The only thing I can think of is with all the different breaks in the tail gate design allowing for this, the tailgate won't hold as much weight when down. I am assuming this. For this reason I prefer the Honda tailgate design best.

 

The timing chains are for sure fixed. The 1st gen used a single chain the fed both banks. So it went from the crank, up to the passenger cams, down to an idler pulley just above the crank and back up to the drivers side bank. The 2nd gen has one chain for each bank. So the 1st gen essential has 3x as much chain length between the crank and the drivers side bank as a 2nd gen, and it was always the drives side bank that gave issues. Basically, since the chain is ~3x longer, the chain can only experience 1/3 the wear in each link before it becomes an issue. If you have a chain with 300 links and each one wears .01mm, you get 3mm of chain "stretch". If you have a chain with 100 links and get the same .01mm wear you only have 1mm of length change.

And yes, API also included chain wear specific testing into the latest API SP standard and I believe the test bed that they used for developing it was the 3.5L Ecoboost as far as I know. So running a modern API SP rated oil should hopefully be a decent upgrade from the API SN oils that were available when the 3.5L debuted in 2011.

And yes. Borg Warner designed and produced the phasers for the 2nd gen. It would be like Mitsubishi or IHI manufacturing the turbos for the Tundra and those having wastegate issues.

 

Time will tell. The manual comment is one we see everywhere lamenting the death of manual transmissions, that no one bought anymore. What we see as configurations available mimics what people are buying, not what they say they want on Internet forums. The people will speak on the 6.5’ bed option. We’ll see if they put their money where their mouths are.

 

It also lets you use the bumper to step up into the bed.

 

Agreed, time will tell. And half the reason they may be offering it is so they can use the longer frame to also offer a Sequoia XL. That’s what I’m really hoping for.

 

LOL... manuals in a new Tundra. Doesn't take a genius to know that's never gonna happen for the 3 people who want them. Tundras are now luxoboats and towing machines. Both uses are best with autos trans. IMO manuals are best for sports cars, like my 2016 M7 Vette. But GM even went and killed the manual for the C8 Corvettes. Now THAT is a shame.

 

But the perennial problem with Toyota is that you CAN'T put your $ where your mouth for the longer bed is because they just don't put these in inventory. And you also CAN'T order one. So you have to compromise and get a combination that is less than ideal in some way or another. Or just not get one at all. It should be no surprise that short beds outsell the longer bed 10 to 1 when Toyota provides them in that ratio... and every one is sold.

 

yes, almost every auto manufacturer LOL’s, and then groans when people mention they still want a manual. But people still clamor for them and complain when they can’t get one, even though they aren’t buying them.

 

Now’s your chance people! Start buying the longer bed configurations in Mass quantity to send your message to corporate. Or forever be stuck with short, useless truck beds.

 

I say again you pretty much can't. Because the chances you can get one the color and trim you want are miniscule.

 

Same here. I can do an oil change in less time than it takes me to drive to the Ford dealer and back. Its not convenient to have them do it, nor do I want them to do it.

It is probably why i am not so risk adverse. I can turn a wrench. I know how to fix my cars. If something breaks, Ford parts are cheap and I can do it myself.

 

Nonsense. Toyota literally just started offering the 6.5’ bed with the crewmax. As in, for the first time ever, like a month ago. Just because it’s hard to get anything right now and dealers initially ordered that which has historically sold the best when there was no 6.5’ bed crewmax option does not mean they’re going to prevent people from getting one.

If I were looking for a new half ton for towing a midsize travel trailer, a hybrid Tundra would be at the very top of the list, especially one with a longer wheelbase for added stability.

 

Its regional.

Same here in Utah. I would guess somewhere close to 50% of the F150's and GM 1500's are 6.5' beds. My local Ford dealer is pretty small and usually has 10 trucks or less on the lot(in the before times, when life was normal). They always had 3 or so supercrew 6.5' beds.

I bought my current F150 in MA. It was a lot harder to find a Supercrew 6.5' bed there. I had to search pretty hard to find my particular config(supercrew, 6.5', max-tow Lariat.)

It could see it being extremely useful. Especially if you have a Topper or Tounneu cover.

That said, i think Ram and Honda's tailgates are way more useful. The way Ford's only opens in the middle is dumb to me.

The is regional. A lot of people want them depending on where you are. Here in Utah I would say it could be close to a 50/50 split on the F150. There is also an above average amount of Tundras here to though. So I could see them selling a lot of them here.