Should I trade my 2018 Tundra in on a new one? help me decide.

I am also VERY seriously considering buy a new 2021, then when I couldn't find the one I wanted with in 500+ miles of my home (8' bed Ex/cab 4x4 red) I decided to order a 2022.

Now to answer your question. Once I started researching 2022 Tundra's two things jumped out at me and SCREAMED hold on there a sec pilgrim,
#1-Although it's not an entirely new (circa 2017) V6 3.5L engine it is new for the Tundra and MOST IMPORTANT it a TWIN TURBO engine.
#2-It has an all newly designed by Toyota 10 speed transmission for the Tundra likely based on the same 10 speed transmission in the Lexus

It's YOUR money but in my opinion I would have to think LONG and very carefully before I spent $45-$65k on a truck with essentially both a new duel turbo engine and new transmission combined comprising the two most expensive and complicated and important parts of the truck

One last piece of advice. Do a goggle search on 'Problems with 3.5L V6 Ecoboost and see if any of the Ecoboosts design flaws seem to be in the 3.5L Toyota engine.

 

OMG!!!!! $900 CP?
That's my HOUSE payment.

 

People flipping new cars every couple of years sure doesn't help anything

 

Don't forget the electronics... many issues already cropping up there. I have more faith in the mechanical stuff I think...

And really... you needed a *red* DC long? I traveled over 500 miles to get one of any color in 2016...

 

I went out of my way to buy a brand new truck this year from 2007. The new truck looks great in a lot of ways. But I view the 2.5 gen Tundra as the apex of half tons. The 2.5 gen's design goals were simplicity, longevity, reliability. Not fuel economy, tech, connectivity - which is where the industry as a whole is going.

If God forbid it gets totaled in an accident down the road, I'll have to look to gas HD's from the domestics to get a simple, rugged, no fuel economy BS drive-train. However if you made me buy a half ton in the future, it would be this 2022 new Tundra. Would still take it over any half ton domestic. The domestic half tons are all economy/tech focused at this point.

You can't lose with either truck. I just view the 2.5 gen as a 10/10 truck (biased) and the new truck a 9/10.

 

Payloads discussion
I understand the new rear frame boxed changes and the reason for them. Many of these trucks are daily drivers with empty boxes most of the time. A better ride was needed. Rear Coils were now needed to smooth out the ride with the fully boxed rear end. They needed to get more rigid to use lighter materials (composite bed) to become lighter for fuel economy, etc...
Just a couple of reasons.
Look I get it. however.

Now I am seeing alot of forum discussions on maximum payloads. "What does the sticker on the door jam say?"
I have posted, commented ...I don't worry about it and those I know with previous gen Tundras don't either. But for those of you that travel, fully loaded down.... with a fully boxed rear end and lighter materials maybe you should be more concerned about and pay attention to maximum payloads ?

Listen to the comments at 4.00 minute mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnw8wxHkNO0

Fully boxed versus Open C
Opinions please.

Also I would like to see (for entertainment) this video but with a 2021 and 2022 Tundra same model loaded down.

Are you seeing this TFL -Andre ??

 

I think he does a shitty job of explaining it, but ya... there is a reason why HD trucks have open C (or frames that twist). When you have a big load in the bed and you get in a crossed up situation (like in the video), a stiff frame needs to be super strong, because you are on one wheel in the back and all the load has been converted to a torsional load on the frame. It's hard (heavy) to make a mostly two dimensional structure handle that. The C channel avoids this issue by twisting and keeping both rear wheels on the ground, so the load on the frame remains mostly vertical and easy to deal with.

I think the way the industry has gone, with most <1 ton trucks having stiff boxed frames now, is sensible. If they were breaking we would have heard about it, so I think they are strong enough for their intended load and use. A 50k lb load... no way.

The advantage of a stiff frame is that you remove an undamped torsional spring from the system for more predictable and stable handling and ride. But you also remove some torsional compliance, which needs to be supplied by better springs and shocks. Note that all cars and SUVs have stiff frames, even the ones that aren't unibody... like the 4runner and Sequoia, even though their truck counterparts have been flexible.

Offroad the articulation of C channel is nice in some situations, but I still think making the suspension do the articulating is a better approach. Stiff shocks with good damping, many thin leaves that can twist, no sway bars. Don't know how the coil rear end of the new Tundra will be offroad... my guess is not so good... maybe fine with mods, though.

 

^^ thx for that

almost seems the vehicle on the left really does need a rear diff lock? Optional for the one on the right.
Do you see where I am going with this. 8^0

Like maybe going along, up and down a 3 mile one lane logging road, whose un even surface changes depending on the season we are in?
My truck seems planted, glued to the road, like its on tracks on this road, more so than any other vehicle I have owned.
Other people that have driven it out have commented on the dynamics as well.

 

The Ram certainly picks up a rear wheel much more easily than the Ford. You can improve that on a stiff-framed truck with a multi thin leaf pack (like you'd get from Deaver), delete the swaybars, and install shocks with more travel, and also with high low speed damping (digressive) so it doesn't sway too bad on the road. These are pretty reasonable offroad suspension mods.

Since the new Tundra has coil rears... I'm not sure what you would do to help articulation. Different coils, longer shocks, maybe mods to the linkage?

I've also noticed my Tundra seems to ride very good on dirt roads. This is with stock black shocks and no lift. Seems smoother than on a lot of paved roads actually. The fact that the frame can twist in the back might be part of that.

Tuning suspension to work well both on road and off, especially with a load, is tough... and involves tradeoffs.

 

thank u to csuviper for this
numbers don't lie
and for the pic that follows of the front hoods view - 2018 versus 2022.
No its not the same angle, I know...... but it does give you a rough idea.
I have not gone to see a 2022 yet.

 

I would not, I personally think that you will regret getting rid of your 18'...I have a 14 and would not even think of trading it in/selling it for a new one, my hubs had a 1st gen Taco, still regrets selling it to this day.

 

If you think the longer 6.5 bed would work (and double cab) better for you now’s the time as you are getting an inflated trade in value because of supply chain issues. You are getting much more % on your trade in than you will get on a discount on a new one when things get normal.

You have the ability to trade now and wait for an order to arrive. So you could bargain even more.

Otherwise your 2018 is a great truck.

 

Did you read through this thread ? The DC is a writeoff for space in cab now. Regarding trade in and wait.
See my post below from the F150 versus Tundra thread. This is not true right now about trading in and watiing.
You will be waiting a long time - a duration the dealers themselves right now do not know how long.

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So Happy new year to every one. Thank u for all the input.
Where I am at as of now Jan 2nd. Without even seeing the new Tundra in person I am disappointed.
I use my Tundra as a truck. I need the cab space, good access to the bed - I am in/out of there more than the cab. They made access to the bed worse and made it smaller.
I have a summer car I still own and driving dynamics are very important to me.
The new Tundra from reports drives bigger, electric no feel steering, its bigger on outside, smaller inside (cab and bed)
Its lower for a truck not good imo.
I think the profile/silhouette of a 2018 is much better looking than the 2022.
Pic below from the tug of war video.

The three things the 2022 has that would be nice. The new screen/tech. I can get that with a new Kenwood dmx1059xr deck in my 2018. See pic below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4U9f_bKt7lw


The rear diff lock - I think with my open C rear end my rear wheels with load have better contact and I have never needed it - a diff lock.
So this is IMO really a mental "nice to have" want - not a need.

3rd thing. Cameras views - nice to have again - do not need. I could also add cameras to my truck if I got a Kenwood deck.

With that when I finally see and drive one - maybe - I will still want one. So have not decided.
My 2018 as I have learned from this thread has the last year for the transmission cooler 8^0

 

Yeah I saw a couple comments but did skip ahead. Good choice either way.


One thing I will say is I sold my 2008 TRD SR5 double cab and I always thought that was a great truck. Great quality. Had a lot of miles and abuse so it was time to trade on.