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Payload Increase on 3rd Gen around 15%?

Discussion in '3rd Gen Tundras (2022+)' started by Buckaroo, Dec 14, 2021.

  1. Dec 14, 2021 at 4:49 AM
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    I am confused by Toyota lingo regarding payload. Perhaps industry wide but not sure.

    If you look at the 2022 Tundra Owners manual on page 545, it shows a table labeled, "Vehicle Capacity Weight" which defines this as, "Occupants + luggage". This is about 1500 lbs for various model codes for a 4WD DC with Standard Bed.

    If you look at the 2022 Tundra on toyota.com under specs>weights/capacities, it indicates the Payload Capacity of various trim levels. For the 4WD Limited DC 6.5 ft bed, the max payload is indicated to be 1820 lbs. Why the discrepancy vs the owners manual and door jam sticker? Obviously you have different option packages but I don't think that explains it all....the difference is too large. There is a hot link footnote (#160) that says, "Payload Capacity is the calculation of GVWR minus curb weight and should be used for comparison purposes only. The maximum amount of passenger and cargo weight your vehicle can carry is the Load Carrying Capacity indicated on the labels on the drivers door jam." They show a GVWR and Base Curb Weight and, if you do the math, the difference is 1820 lbs. They don't define Base Curb Weight. In general, Pick Up Truck Curb Weight include gasoline and other fluids - not sure what Toyota Base Curb Weight is.

    I was eagerly awaiting release of the 2022 Tundra and was considering replacing my 2017 as I was interested in more payload. From what I have seen, I think it has increased by 200 lbs or so gen 2.5 vs 3.0 or about 15%. Will stick with my '17 for now.
     
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    I believe "base" curb weight is before any options/packages are installed.

    Available payload is GVWR - Curb Weight (scaled).
     
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    Agree on the options but the web site specifically calls out the payload for the Limited 4WD so assume it includes the 4WD and all the options standard on the Limited. The Base Curb Weight called out increases for the higher trim models. I wonder about the qualifier "Base" in Base Curb Weight. Perhaps this doesn't include fluids which are probably worth about 250 lbs?
     
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    I'm not really sure, but something does seem off.
     
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    Remember that any port installed option will change the true payload most likely further reducing it. Tailgate lock, floormats and bedliner took 57 pounds off mine.
     
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    If you compare the 2021 vs the 2022 Limited 4WD DC w Standard Bed on the web site, there is a 250 lbs increase in payload which is 16%. This is about what I was thinking. Just can't explain the difference between "payload" on the web site and "load carrying capacity" on the door jam....
     
  7. Dec 14, 2021 at 5:21 AM
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    Yes but that doesn't change the factor door jam sticker....they put that on a separate yellow sticker on the door jam, right?
     
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    i believe so. I’d like to see the final test
     
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    So this is what I think.....the sticker on the door jam is the "Certification Label" regarding weight carrying capacity (adjusted by the yellow sticker for dealer installed options). It is what the Federal Regulators look at and the Toyota Liability Attorneys would point to. You can take that number to the bank. The web site numbers are marketing and they have a footnote on that payload number that says it is for comparison purposes only. In my minds eye, I can just see the meeting with the Toyota Engineers, Legal Liability Lawyers and Marketing & Regulatory folks discussing the web site numbers, footnotes, terms and their definitions. Not to say that what they are doing is fraudulent....I am sure that they have a rationale to explain the number. It's just Marketing!

    I would think this is typical auto industry practice. Back in the day, before the J2807 standards to define towing capacity, it was much worse. Toyota was the first to adopt that standard which reduced their stated towing capacity. Their Marketing people must have hated that because it put them at a competitive disadvantage until the other manufacturers got on board.
     
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    Been following this thread - So what will the payload capacity be for my 2022 1704 with the TRD Pro package, floor matts, no Bedliner add, no spray-in, 5.5 bed
     
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    You'll have to look at the door sticker.
     
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    I would love to... Whenever this thing ever shows up Thanks
     
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    I will make a guess and you can let me know how close I am when you get it. Is it a 4wd CrewMax with a 5.5 ft bed (which I think is a standard bed)? Wait, maybe that's a short bed.....not sure
     
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    Yes. That is it
     
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    The website says max of 1665 lbs for a 1794 4wd CrewMax with a 5.5 ft bed. Owners manual says 1400 - 1310 lbs based on model code for a 4wd CrewMax with a short bed. I am guessing your sticker will say 1280 lbs + for occupants and cargo....unfortunately, I am not sure what payload means anymore....am really just guessing. If you could find a similarly equipped '21 1794, you could check the sticker and add 15% and I think you would be very close.
     
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    That helps. I Believe I have a problem
    - ATV (750 lbs)
    - Guns, Hunting Clothes and Gear - (150) Lbs
    - Yeti Cooler with Ice (70lbs)
    - 2 Guys upfront (400 lbs)

    1370 lbs. Total. Does not include Gas in the Tank, Food, miscellaneous stuff I carry (A 2 ton Jack, ratchets, tools) etc.

    Man - I am really wondering if selling my perfectly working and excellent condition 2017 F-150 was a good idea. I wanted to badly to get back to Toyota. I didn't have to worry about payload. (I know I am being a bit dramatic, as I could trailer the ATV). 70k for this truck. I shouldn't have to worry about it.

    Best
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    just curious, what kind of ATV are you putting in the bed that can carry two 200 lbs dudes?

    trailer would be optimal and not a ton of money I think if you really wanted a tundra.

    what was the payload sticker on the F-150?
     
  18. Dec 14, 2021 at 9:04 AM
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    Need to interject here, but a quad in the bed is worth way more than a quad+trailer. Not everyone rides at ‘adventure parks’.

    sorry 3rd genners, a little disappointed my grandpa would rather trade his taco for a ‘22 tundra instead of swapping the soft richard 3.5 for a ls376.
     
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    I am just guessing. Don't worry about gas (it's included already at a full tank)....focus on occupants and cargo. You could be over a bit. Air up the tires near the max and I would think you will be fine. Others may (dis)agree.
     
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    I totally get that, just have to decide what you want. if the tundra doesnt have enough payload, then its the wrong tool for the job and look elsewhere.
     
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    Thanks for the thoughts..... A couple of responses.
    - The ATV can not handle 2 of us. It strong but not that strong. We do not put two people on it.
    - We will usually use a trailer, there are times when the trailer is full (2 other ATVs) So we need to throw the third in the bed. It is rare, but it has happened. I will just have to make it a "non-Option" if the weight will exceed.

    Question - If I am at my payload capacity - Does that affect what the truck can handle in terms of tongue weight and or towing capacity. (I dont tow anything that is over 5k)

    Here is a picture just for kicks

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    I guess to be in between 1250 to 1300 lb. A plain SR5 without anything is 1395lb
     
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    Remember that the tongue weight of your trailer has to come out of that payload capacity too.
     
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    Are you asking if trailer tongue weight goes against the payload? If so, then yes, the trailer tongue weight is subtracted from your available payload capacity.

    The cargo weight in the bed while towing a trailer is figured in for payload, GVWR and GCWR, but the cargo does not effect "tow capacity" per se. You will most certainly run out of payload before tow capacity on pretty much all new trucks, not just 1/2-ton either. This may not necessarily be the case with a dually, but it will be for most 1/2 & 3/4-ton trucks.
     
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    Tongue weight is part of the payload so if you are already at max payload there is no more room for it. It also depends how you balance your trailer. I am also towing 2 atv's but the way the trailer is set - it's almost perfectly balanced and the tongue weight is very light. I almost flipped the trailer when I tried to step on the back of it :). This way the trailer doesn't add much to the payload
     
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    Beware of the "too light" tongue...

    should be 10-15% else you will fuck up the handling / potentially have sway problems

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    One needs to be careful when load shifting, the old rule of thumb is a trailer should have a minimum of 10% of it's total loaded weight as tongue weight to prevent sway. Most travel trailers range from 10-15% loaded tongue weight. Moving weight to behind the trailer axles is often times a recipe for sway issues.
     
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    Yes, thanks for the thoughts -I experimented a lot and I towed like this 20-30K km. I need the tongue to be light so I don't exceed the payload for the TV - which is a Lexus RX350. Trailer is also very light and short (Triton ATV88)- I load the atv's sideways and there is no movement at all. Tows excellent and I have no sway at all
     
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    How are you measuring the amount of tongue weight?
     
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